Faction Uniformity

I'm just wondering about how uniform the units of a faction will be. With the multiple skins per unit, hopeful this uniformity will be reduced.

For those who have idea about what the heck I'm talking, I'm going back to EB1 and how many Epeirote units were dressed in green. It was a great faction and great textures, but in comparison to the units of other factions, I didn't particularly enjoy this green uniformity.

I think hardly any units will be uniform, though maybe you meant something else or you could be drinking too much energy drinks, caffeine or beer.

No Uniformity! except a kind of it for certain state equipped troops.

At best you will find a reccurence of emblems on the shields (to represent a local god, etc..), or equipement types.

Regards

Martel

Indeed, this is one of the things that is taking so much time.

It will be well worth the wait!

Originally Posted by Martelus Flavius

No Uniformity! except a kind of it for certain state equipped troops.

At best you will find a reccurence of emblems on the shields (to represent a local god, etc..), or equipement types.

Regards

Martel

So, exceptions made for state-equipped troops, chances are the Epeirotes, even if their armour is varied, won't all be wearing green tunics?

That made me think: Why did Epeiros where green?

How can one possibly answer such a question?
This was decided upon much prior to me being a member of EB, so I can't really say.

Originally Posted by lenin96

That made me think: Why did Epeiros where green?

Simple answer: why not?

Originally Posted by lenin96

That made me think: Why did Epeiros where green?

If epeiros wasn't green what colour would be suitable?

Originally Posted by Spartiaths

If epeiros wasn't green what colour would be suitable?

garance?

Like I said, this has been decided upon prior to me joining the mod. Therefore I don't know which were the guiding reasons for that choice. It could have been any other color. I honestly think there isn't any meaning in this thread.
One of the easiest answers that come to mind, is that Epeiros is green. Very mountainous but green all year, because in it there is the most precipitation in Greece. In Epeiros it rains, even during the summer. The level of precipitation in Epeiros is about the same as Hungary.

Well, my guess is that it could be related to the oracle of Dodona? I did a quick search and wikipedia says: Priestesses and priests in the sacred grove interpreted the rustling of the oak (or beech) leaves to determine the correct actions to be taken.

So something related to those trees of the sanctuary?

i believe that keravnos' thought is a more possible explanation
but all that about the color is somehow off topic and meaningless

Units developed early on in EB1 tended to have a similar color, but I can recall a couple times the Epeiros people asking for green to be changed to something else in a newer Epeiros unit.

I think it was just habit for the early skinners. If you are making units for five different factions, and you can only have one skin per faction, you want them to all look different from eachother. The easiest way of doing this is with base colors. How do you choose who gets what color? The faction's color on the minimap...

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

Units developed early on in EB1 tended to have a similar color, but I can recall a couple times the Epeiros people asking for green to be changed to something else in a newer Epeiros unit.

I think it was just habit for the early skinners. If you are making units for five different factions, and you can only have one skin per faction, you want them to all look different from eachother. The easiest way of doing this is with base colors. How do you choose who gets what color? The faction's color on the minimap...

Will it be more difficult to tell one faction's unit apart from another faction's unit now? And don't shrug.

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Will it be more difficult to tell one faction's unit apart from another faction's unit now? And don't shrug.

Have you kept up with the previews?

Originally Posted by lenin96

That made me think: Why did Epeiros where green?

Pyrrhos was known to be an environmentalist, that's why he invaded Rome, to help fight global warming.

I was wondering about the uniformity myself. Will "barbarian" units see a complete lack of uniformity? What i mean is will they be able to not only look different, but have different weapons? One man gets a spear, another sword, and yet another an ax? Is this possible within engine limits or am dreaming? Still I would be cool. Even if their shields were different shapes.. That would make me drool.. I cant wait for this mod to be released. (BUT I WILL)

Originally Posted by Martelus Flavius

No Uniformity! except a kind of it for certain state equipped troops.

At best you will find a reccurence of emblems on the shields (to represent a local god, etc..), or equipement types.

Regards

Martel

so no more Green mercenaries?
:(
"yawns"

How much can different people in a unit vary? For example how many shields/helmets/uniforms can there be in one unit?

Originally Posted by Vasiliyi

I was wondering about the uniformity myself. Will "barbarian" units see a complete lack of uniformity? What i mean is will they be able to not only look different, but have different weapons? One man gets a spear, another sword, and yet another an ax? Is this possible within engine limits or am dreaming? Still I would be cool. Even if their shields were different shapes.. That would make me drool.. I cant wait for this mod to be released. (BUT I WILL)

Dreamz.

Variety is great, but will we still see a stark difference between the magnificiently oppressive uniformity of the Romans and the rest? It was one of the reasons why I like to play as Rome in EB.

Originally Posted by Vasiliyi

I was wondering about the uniformity myself. Will "barbarian" units see a complete lack of uniformity? What i mean is will they be able to not only look different, but have different weapons? One man gets a spear, another sword, and yet another an ax? Is this possible within engine limits or am dreaming?

Technically yes, although a unit can use only one set of animations, so mixing slashing weapons with stabbing weapons will result in weird combat moves. However, this won't happen since those weapons have different stats. According to a post by an EB member there will be some variation in the weapons within a unit, but all weapons will have the same stats (so no short swords and long swords in a unit, unless of course they go into different weapon slots).

Originally Posted by Mister V

Variety is great, but will we still see a stark difference between the magnificiently oppressive uniformity of the Romans and the rest? It was one of the reasons why I like to play as Rome in EB.

I doubt it: as far as we know the Romans did not issue uniforms. My impression is that the later Romans used only a few shield motifs, but even these would have been done by individual artists, so there would be variation. But I have read no historical sources on the matter, so I wouldn't really know. For all I know, the uniformity in shield motifs may be another myth.

There was a thread going over this a wee while back. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=115125

Originally Posted by JbG

How much can different people in a unit vary? For example how many shields/helmets/uniforms can there be in one unit?

im actually quite curious about this, can someone answer me this please?

Not sure about the limit of different sheilds/armour/helemts ect, but the EB team said they will do roughly 4-5 different patterns per faction in one of the Steles.

This one infact https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...hlight=stele+7

Today almost all soldiers wear green. Pyrrhus was just 2000-ish years ahead of the fashion trends.

Depends on where they are. Who would wear jungle camo in finland?

Nobody in their right minds, that's for sure. Forest camo, OTOH...

Mind you, our military's standard wear is green too. The soldiers naturally have all kinds of interesting nicknames for it, but I understand "cucumber suit" is a popular one...
And don't let me get started on the Ghillie suit; the nickname for *that* involves references to some rather weird nooks of Finnish popular culture.