The reformation of Islam, part two: Political evolution

[Banquo's Ghost]

The challenge for non-intervention (normally my default position) is two-fold:

a) Many Islamic states also sit atop our energy sources. The West cannot allow the oil to stop flowing.

b) The damage has, in large part, already been done by intervention and Islamofascism has, and will, reach out to affect us on our own shores.

Like it or not, we're involved.

[Fragony]

Don't need to be, the whole of europe needs a full stop of immigration from islamic country's, as long as we allow mass immigration we are importing the problem. Not worried about terrorism personally I am worried of a demographic timebomb. Maybe the change in the islamic world can come from people who have lived in the west, make it atractive to go back, a 20.000 or 30.000 reward or so, can't cost us more money then it does now

[Tribesman]

So , banning the movement of people on the grounds of their religion and having "resettlement" programs .
That sorta has a familiar ring to it

[Fragony]

So , banning the movement of people on the grounds of their religion and having "resettlement" programs .
That sorta has a familiar ring to it

Well yes, so shoot me. We can't go on like this, don't care what it looks like. There is quite a lot that has a familiar ring to it.

[Tribesman]

Well yes, so shoot me.

Why would I need to shoot you ?
As it is you manage to shoot yourself in the foot frequently whenever it comes to any subject concerning a certain religion .

[Fragony]

Why would I need to shoot you ?
As it is you manage to shoot yourself in the foot frequently whenever it comes to any subject concerning a certain religion .

I do? I don't think so. Visit any big european town, same crap everywhere. Just because you don't like hearing it doesn't mean it isn't true. Islam in it's current state and the west aren't compatible, and we owe them nothing, we don't have any obligation towards them. Get with the program or get lost, simple no, that is how it works in Dubai.

[Husar]

I do? I don't think so. Visit any big european town, same crap everywhere. Just because you don't like hearing it doesn't mean it isn't true. Islam in it's current state and the west aren't compatible, and we owe them nothing, we don't have any obligation towards them. Get with the program or get lost, simple no, that is how it works in Dubai.

I live in a relatively big european town and I have no idea what "crap" you are talking about? The drunkards* who drink and pee at the bottom of "my" house so I smell it in my bathroom through this channel that's supposed to keep the air fresh?


*hint: muslims don't drink

[Furunculus]

The challenge for non-intervention (normally my default position) is two-fold:

a) Many Islamic states also sit atop our energy sources. The West cannot allow the oil to stop flowing.

b) The damage has, in large part, already been done by intervention and Islamofascism has, and will, reach out to affect us on our own shores.

Like it or not, we're involved.

partly the reason why i said what i said above.

the west only needs the middle-east for the next generation, when the oil runs out and the ME is left with a bunch of non-consuming, zero middle-class, illerate peasants we simply won't care.

so the ME has to persuade us that its in our interest to support democratic reform versus supporting autocrats.

democratic reform will have a cost (i.e. potentially installing islamist gov'ts), what we need to know is that benefits outweigh the costs of continueing to sit on the pressure cooker until we cease to depend on the ME's oil and gas.

the benefits alluded to above might include the transformation of the ME into an advanced trading region within a generation, so we have some reason to look beyond the oil.