Sit down position...

[Cute Wolf]

Reminds me of the XGM mod, in that mod, the original phalanx formation was made somewhat loose and has more space between the pikes... The favt is, in this mod, you can break militia pikemen with Celtic Chosen Swords from the front without taking much casuality (but more elite and well trained pikemen didn't as easily... you'll suffer much casualities)

Now what about the sit down position and the Roman Triarii... They should sit when they are not in combat...

[Megas Methuselah]

Now what about the sit down position and the Roman Triarii... They should sit when they are not in combat...

That would be difficult to implement.

[antisocialmunky]

That would be difficult to implement.

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[Cute Wolf]

but I think, for the triarii, we can implement some of the animation of pikemen, which cause them to sit down (use the front line animation) when stand in guard mode... and didn't enggange anything...

[Megas Methuselah]

but I think, for the triarii, we can implement some of the animation of pikemen, which cause them to sit down (use the front line animation) when stand in guard mode... and didn't enggange anything...

Go ahead and do it. When you're successful, come back and show us.

[Cute Wolf]

But when I implement the pikemen animation on the armoured sergeants, they instead go crazy with carrying their shields horizontally, and attack with the most impossible type of animation (they grip the spearhead! duh...) but their first line do rest in sit down position...... I suspect this need to be done on M2TW's "phalanx" formation, because if I put "phalanx" out, they didn't sit , but I have no more clue.... anyone can help?

[Watchman]

It's also worth remembering that the Classical and Medieval pike doctrines evolved in very different contexts. Jus to point out the obvious difference, the former were essentially a mobile wall whose (original, anyway) purpose was to pin the enemy center in place for the cavalry to flank and destroy. The latter, conversely, was developed by a confederation which for most intents and purposes had no shock cavalry, and had to more or less depend entirely on their infantry for victory.

Similarly, while the Classical phalangites fought in a long but comparatively thin line and were severely vulnerable to flanking should it become disjointed, the Medieval and later pikes operated mainly in huge rectangular "living fortresses", with integral missile and close-combat support troops, that could fight in all directions if need be; the Swiss at least usually deployed three en echelon, so that the "main" and "rearguard" squares covered the flanks of the vanguard formation.

Regarding the "close assault" troops used to create holes in pike lines, AFAIK the two-handed sword stopped being an effective pike-chopper chiefly because everybody started unsportinly adding long metal strips (usually called "langets", IIRC) to their pike-shafts as a reinforcement...
Anyway, the standard kit for such "assault infantry" was a mixture of big swords, polearms, swords and shields and - rather importantly - good armour; AFAIK "three-quarters" plate (that is, full body and arm defences plus the upper legs) was common...
Quite a far cry from what the warriors of Antiquity had to make do with, obviously.

Proper knights and men-at-arms, of course, then sported some of the best defensive gear mankind has ever devised (before modern times anyway) and when dismounted were often a very serious headache for even the best pikemen. I've also seen references of 1500s French Gendarmes - arguably the apex of the European "heavy lancer" concept - in fact on occasion having been capable of punching a lance charge right through a Swiss square, although to no great effect as the blighters just closed ranks over their casualties afterwards...

[Majd il-Romani]

That would be difficult to implement.

in M2, when infantry are being deployed pre-battle (and even when the battle starts but the enemy is not very close) the men just stand around at ease (and their formation is looser) or they cheer. When they cheer, sometimes a man drops to his knees, why cant you implement all the triarii dropping to their knees when they are at ease? is it possible? just throwing ideas out here

[Cute Wolf]

A maniple of sit down and cheering triarii!!!

You must play the Teutonic campaign... actually in other kingdoms campaign, they didn't cheer too much...