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    From this paper

    Democracy by Design or by Evolution?

    The record shows, then, that from the standpoint of promoting democracy, the U.S.
    occupation of Germany was extraordinarily inept. Yet, despite the miscues, democracy
    emerged in Germany. How do we explain this result? A full answer is beyond the compass
    of this article, but I can sketch out the beginnings of an explanation.
    There are, it seems, two broad theories about how democracy comes into being.
    One is that it is the product of social engineering. In this view, democracy is an elaborate
    machine with many parts—constitutions, electoral systems, civic organizations,
    and so forth—and experts are needed to craft and assemble these parts. Nation builders
    tend to favor this model because it validates their role. They are like the highway
    engineers who believe that highways can be built anywhere and that they have the
    skills to build them.
    Belief in this “design” model of democracy accounts for the misperception about
    what happened in postwar Germany. The commentators have reasoned backward,
    supposing that because democracy can come about only by design, then skilled, purposeful
    nation builders must have been at work on the scene.
    An opposing model of political development views democracy as an organic,
    natural outgrowth in a society that has reached a certain stage of cultural evolution. It
    cannot be imposed from the outside if the society is not “ready” for it. When conditions
    are propitious, it will happen more or less naturally, without any experts or social
    engineers to create it.
    What cultural condition makes a nation “ready” for democracy? The factor I
    would propose is a variable that has been strangely neglected in the study of democracy:
    moderation of the amount of leadership political violence. Where political leaders are
    inclined to use violence against each other—violence in the form of political murders,
    gang attacks, and armed revolts—democracy cannot survive. It will tend to collapse into
    civil war or a repressive dictatorship.
    From this perspective, democracy is not at all complicated. It may take many
    complex forms, but the core concept is elementary: leaders have decided not to
    employ force against each other. As a result, they necessarily turn to nonviolent
    methods, such as counting heads (elections), to settle their disputes. In this “cultural”
    model, democracy is simply the default mode of government where leaders
    are peaceful, and any group of friends and neighbors can start it up spontaneously.


    This sort of development, I suggest, is what happened in Germany. Long before
    World War II, Germany had evolved a basically nonviolent politics. Even before 1850,
    democratic forms of government were emerging, with elections and legislative bodies,
    and participants had long transcended the custom of political murder. By 1871,
    the country was a democracy, with universal manhood suffrage and a national parliament.
    The Hitler regime of 1933 thus represented a bizarre departure from a long
    democratic tradition. It was a regime in which thugs and murderers intimidated and
    displaced the normal political class.


    After the war, the country reverted to its peaceful political tradition. Hitler’s
    ideas were thoroughly discredited, his thugs disappeared, and the nonviolent democratic
    leaders of the prewar era came forward. They simply did what came naturally:
    started political parties, organized campaigns, drew up constitutions, and staffed the
    government. I believe the same interpretation applies to Japan, Austria, and Italy.
    Allied policies did not create democracy in these countries. Instead, the deviant, violent
    leaders of the prior regime departed the scene, leaving a cadre of leaders who
    were not inclined to use force against each other. Given this precondition, democracy
    came into being naturally.


    It will be some time before we can fully assess this interpretation of how democracy
    comes about. Nevertheless, it seems clear, as a number of scholars are now observing,
    that we need to broaden our theories to include the cultural dimension of the
    process (see, e.g., Carothers 2002). After all, it is clear that the overwhelming majority
    of military interventions that have sought to promote democracy have failed.

    These many failures suggest that democracy involves cultural factors not amenable to
    direct manipulation by policymakers.
    As I died study the postwar period quite a bit, I must support this paper. Claiming that the USA "created" democracy in postwar Germany (or Italy) is certainly redicolous. I have too few knowledge about Japan to be make a definite judgement.
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    hmmm... so Pakistan is not ready for democracy???

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    hmmm... so Pakistan is not ready for democracy???
    Care to explain?
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    Sounds like Rudyard Kiplings "White Man's Burden", but it doesn't flow.
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    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

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    Sounds like Rudyard Kiplings "White Man's Burden", but it doesn't flow.
    Would you also care to explain?
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    Would you also care to explain?
    An opposing model of political development views democracy as an organic,
    natural outgrowth in a society that has reached a certain stage of cultural evolution. It
    cannot be imposed from the outside if the society is not “ready” for it. When conditions
    are propitious, it will happen more or less naturally, without any experts or social
    engineers to create it.
    The author creates something of a paradox by saying that democracy can't be "forced" on people, only "home-grown" as it were. If it can't be forced (by the "civil engineers"), then it somewhat inherently places less developed societies with unique characteristics below those who have reached a "cultural evolution". To me it is a paradox of sorts, because he says that we can't make people take on democracy, but that it will occur naturally when they reach a certain level of western enlightenment. To me it smacks of the thought that we must give people the tools (western culture) to reach this level of "democracy", even though he says we aren't supposed to do that because it will fail.
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    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleander Ardens View Post
    Care to explain?

    What cultural condition makes a nation “ready” for democracy? The factor I
    would propose is a variable that has been strangely neglected in the study of democracy:
    moderation of the amount of leadership political violence. Where political leaders are
    inclined to use violence against each other—violence in the form of political murders,
    gang attacks, and armed revolts—democracy cannot survive. It will tend to collapse into
    civil war or a repressive dictatorship.
    From this perspective, democracy is not at all complicated. It may take many
    complex forms, but the core concept is elementary: leaders have decided not to
    employ force against each other. As a result, they necessarily turn to nonviolent
    methods, such as counting heads (elections), to settle their disputes. In this “cultural”
    model, democracy is simply the default mode of government where leaders
    are peaceful, and any group of friends and neighbors can start it up spontaneously.

    If you buy the argument, it would imply that Pakistan is not ready for democracy. I'm not sure if I buy it.

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