Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 45

Thread: Archer

  1. #1

    Default Archer

    Why are the archers so good in battle? I mean when l or the AL use archers in battle then we can easily win the battle. All we have to do is to shoot arrows then everyone will die. Can you do the archers less effective in battle?

  2. #2
    Symbasileus ton Rhomaioktonon Member Maion Maroneios's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Heraklion, Crete, Greece
    Posts
    2,610

    Default Re: Archer

    I believe we have a problem here. First of all, what difficulty are you playing? Secodnly, what faction are you playing? If you're playing the Sweboz, for example, it's only natural a hail of arrows is going to hit those half-naked dudes of theirs. Just for the record of it, arrows tend to be lethal when hitting a target. Especially when that target is not wearing any kind of armour, or a good shield.

    Maion
    ~Maion

  3. #3

    Default Sv: Archer

    1) l am playing the faction Aedui

    2) l don't know

  4. #4
    Σέλευκος Νικάτωρ Member Fluvius Camillus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    The Netherlands!
    Posts
    1,078

    Default Re: Sv: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Armeniacus View Post
    1) l am playing the faction Aedui

    2) l don't know
    Trousers dont really block arrows, also a bare six pack neither does... Try getting the heavy troops or charge the enemy archers with you general/other cavalry.. Dont get your general killed though!
    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrius
    Oh my god, i think that is the first time in human history that someone cares to explain an acronym that people expect everybody to know in advance.
    I lived for three years not knowing what AAR is.

    Completed Campaigns: Epeiros (EB1.0), Romani (EB1.1), Baktria (1.2) and Arche Seleukeia
    1x From Olaf the Great for my quote!
    3x1x<-- From Maion Maroneios for succesful campaigns!
    5x2x<-- From Aemilius Paulus for winning a contest!
    1x From Mulceber!

  5. #5
    Symbasileus ton Rhomaioktonon Member Maion Maroneios's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Heraklion, Crete, Greece
    Posts
    2,610

    Default Re: Sv: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Armeniacus View Post
    1) l am playing the faction Aedui

    2) l don't know
    You've inversed your points. Plus, the Aedui are Barbaroi. Showing off bare-chasted doesn't help against arrows as well. So you see, it's natural you get so many casualties when someone used archers against you.

    My advice: First of all, stop trying to convince the EB team about having to tweak the game to your own likeness, because they won't. Not until you provide solid evidence that supports your claims, instead of threads like this where you whine about "faults" you see in the game.

    Now, about the archers problem. The best way to counter them, would be with slingers. Their range is greater (at least from wetsern archers), they have more ammo and they are wider-spread (meaning more hard to hit). Also, never forget to have a solid cavalry wing with you. Use fast cavalry and utilize hit-and-run tactics to drive away enemy archers and skirmishers in general. Or, another thing you could do, is hide in woods, or charge at an enemy very fast to prevent casualties from projectiles.

    Maion
    ~Maion

  6. #6

    Default Sv: Archer

    Okay

  7. #7
    Member Member anubis88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Slovenia
    Posts
    3,400

    Default Re: Archer

    Also, who's AL, and how does it,he or she use archers?
    Europa Barbarorum Secretary

  8. #8
    πολέμαρχος Member Apázlinemjó's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Sopianae
    Posts
    683

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
    Also, who's AL, and how does it,he or she use archers?
    Look at the AL topic, you will understand.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 



    Finished essays: The Italian Wars (1494-1559), The siege of Buda (1686), The history of Boius tribe in the Carpathian Basin, Hungarian regiments' participation in the Austro-Prussian-Italian War in 1866, The Mithridatic Wars, Xenophon's Anabasis, The Carthagian colonization
    Skipped essays: Serbian migration into the Kingdom of Hungary in the 18th century, The Order of Saint John in the Kingdom of Hungary

  9. #9
    Member Member Spearman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Sacramento, CA
    Posts
    9

    Default Re: Archer

    Would those be the Roman archers you were looking for in a previous thread? Just saying, if your gonna spam the forums with pointless threads about archers try and give us a little more substance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Armeniacus View Post
    1) l am playing the faction Aedui

    2) l don't know

    1) Use celtic archers/slingers to counter

    2) I honestly think that you would be happier with vanilla RTW, perhaps BI.

    3) at least you came up with a little more thoughtful title!

    Where's MarcusAurilius and his magical thread lock wand?
    The warriors of Greece don't sleep...they wait for next battle.

  10. #10
    iudex thervingiorum Member athanaric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Lusitania
    Posts
    1,114

    Default Re: Archer



    Leuce Epos. These guys are your friends when you face archers, Armeniacus. Don't forget though that most "barbarian" archers carry spears for melee.




    Swęboz guide for EB 1.2
    Tips and Tricks for New Players
    from Hannibal Khan the Great, Brennus, Tellos Athenaios, and Winsington III.

  11. #11
    CAIVS CAESAR Member Mulceber's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Ithaca, NY
    Posts
    548

    Default Re: Archer

    Would those be the Roman archers you were looking for in a previous thread?
    Just thought I'd point out that technically, the Romani do have archers: Cohors Sagittariorvm Levantinorvm

    -M
    My Balloons:

  12. #12
    Symbasileus ton Rhomaioktonon Member Maion Maroneios's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Heraklion, Crete, Greece
    Posts
    2,610

    Default Re: Archer

    If you take a look at his posts, you'll see he does mention them. He rather wanted factional archers to be implemented into the game, not late-period auxillia troops.

    Maion
    ~Maion

  13. #13
    Ming the Merciless is my idol Senior Member Watchman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Helsinki, Finland
    Posts
    7,967

    Default Re: Archer

    Not sure how well it works in practice, but might be worth a try to just forget the tactical niceties and CHARRRRRRRRRRRRGE like a proper barbarian warrior. After all, those guys in shirts and pants come in *large* blocks, move very fast, and tend to have pretty good stamina... as the Greeks also figured out, one of the better moves you can pull when faced with superior firepower is getting in close ASAP to mix it up mano y mano.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

    -Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

  14. #14
    Symbasileus ton Rhomaioktonon Member Maion Maroneios's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Heraklion, Crete, Greece
    Posts
    2,610

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman View Post
    as the Greeks also figured out, one of the better moves you can pull when faced with superior firepower is getting in close ASAP to mix it up mano y mano.
    Ah, yes... The good 'ol days of the Persian Wars *nostalgic*

    Maion
    ~Maion

  15. #15
    Member Member Macilrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Posts
    1,592

    Default Re: Archer

    Counter against archers

    1. wear armour. Few archers are AP, so get some armoured units.
    2. run them down with cavalry or even fast light infantry- as long as they run, they do no damage shooting.
    3. Charge
    4. Kill them with Slingers
    'For months Augustus let hair and beard grow and occasionally banged his head against the walls whilst shouting; "Quinctillius Varus, give me my legions back"' -Sueton, Augustus.

    "Deliver us oh God, from the fury of the Norsemen", French prayer, 9th century.
    Ask gi'r klask! ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk

    Balloon count: 13

  16. #16

    Default Re: Archer

    Few archers are AP, so get some armoured units.
    Are there actually any archers which have the armour piercing ability? Wouldn't the lack of AP apply to all archers in game, unless I am mistaken. :|

  17. #17
    Barcid Member soup_alex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Yonder
    Posts
    168

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Scud View Post
    Are there actually any archers which have the armour piercing ability? Wouldn't the lack of AP apply to all archers in game, unless I am mistaken. :|
    You're right, as far as I know. Although there's a bit of variety in ammunition, range and attack, there aren't any archers with AP bows.
    Some javelins are AP (particularly Iberi and Romani), and obviously all slings are AP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macilrille View Post
    Counter against archers

    1. wear armour. Few archers are AP, so get some armoured units.
    2. run them down with cavalry or even fast light infantry- as long as they run, they do no damage shooting.
    This applies to all archers, except perhaps Numidians, whose secondary weapon (club) is sometimes even more deadly than their arrows. If you see these b*stards, don't charge them with your best, most heavily-armoured troops!
    "The pathfinding around town squares is twenty different kinds of horrible."Watchman

  18. #18
    Ming the Merciless is my idol Senior Member Watchman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Helsinki, Finland
    Posts
    7,967

    Default Re: Archer

    No archers with AP, sorry. The closest candidate for one was the Caucasians (who Xenophon described as using very tall, powerful bows and large heavy arrows the Greeks reused javelins, that apparently had a fairly easy time punching through shields and armour), but when it was asked if they should thus be given AP there was much going pale of face and rising of hair at the implications...

    Well, think about it; the Hai would probably end up pretty monstrous if their baseline peasant archer dished out AP arrows at those attack values they have.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

    -Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

  19. #19
    Satalextos Basileus Seron Member satalexton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,180

    Default Re: Archer

    Those arrows are indeed monsterous, they make such wonderful additions to the Makedonian Taxis...




    "ΜΗΔΕΝ ΕΩΡΑΚΕΝΑΙ ΦΟΒΕΡΩΤΕΡΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΙΝΟΤΕΡΟΝ ΦΑΛΑΓΓΟΣ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΗΣ" -Lucius Aemilius Paullus

  20. #20

    Default Re: Archer

    Oh, how those Hai archer-peasants rain down hell upon the enemy!
    EB Online Founder | Website
    Former Projects:
    - Vartan's EB Submod Compilation Pack

    - Asia ton Barbaron (Armenian linguistics)
    - EB:NOM (Armenian linguistics/history)
    - Dominion of the Sword (Armenian linguistics/history, videographer)

  21. #21
    Member Member Nachtmeister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Hamburg, Germany
    Posts
    386

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Macilrille View Post
    Counter against archers

    1. wear armour. Few archers are AP, so get some armoured units.
    2. run them down with cavalry or even fast light infantry- as long as they run, they do no damage shooting.
    3. Charge
    4. Kill them with Slingers
    This is interesting - I usually use archers (among other things) as a counter-unit against slingers and find them to be very effective...
    As in "kill some of them at range so that every subsequent volley of them will do less damage because fewer men can shoot fewer projectiles".

    I am honoured to have been presented with my first baloons - - by Ibrahim for tactical observations
    and with my second balloon by Christopher Burgoyne for physical elaboration on the advantages conferred by the Kontos over the Xyston.

  22. #22
    Unoffical PBM recruiter person Member /Bean\'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Plymoutai
    Posts
    1,861

    Default Re: Archer

    I find archers to be a fine compliment to my armies. I use slingers as my AP and long range slingers, and always stick my archers behind my infantry line on flaming arrows. Works well to down the spirits of the entire enemy army, not just those fired upon.
    =========================================
    Look out for the upcoming Warriors of the La Tene PBM, a new style of interactive EB gaming rising from the ashes of BtSH and WotB!
    ========================================================
    + =
    [/CENTER]

  23. #23
    Member Member Macilrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Posts
    1,592

    Default Re: Archer

    <3 Cretan Archers, nothing like them in the Roman setup...
    'For months Augustus let hair and beard grow and occasionally banged his head against the walls whilst shouting; "Quinctillius Varus, give me my legions back"' -Sueton, Augustus.

    "Deliver us oh God, from the fury of the Norsemen", French prayer, 9th century.
    Ask gi'r klask! ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk

    Balloon count: 13

  24. #24
    Vicious Celt Warlord Member Celtic_Punk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    In your kitchen, raiding your fridge!
    Posts
    1,575

    Default Re: Archer

    1-2 units of cretans, plus 2-3 units of slingers, and then add your hoplites. unbeatable.

    even if the stupid makedonian charges with his cavalry, just focus all firepower on him and he'll be dead in no time.
    'Who Dares WINS!' - SAS
    "The republic stands for truth and honour. For all that is noblest in our race. By truth and honour, principle and sacrifice alone will Ireland be free."-Liam Mellows


    Who knows? If it's a enough day we may all end up Generals!"

  25. #25
    Member Member Nachtmeister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Hamburg, Germany
    Posts
    386

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk View Post
    1-2 units of cretans, plus 2-3 units of slingers, and then add your hoplites. unbeatable.

    even if the stupid makedonian charges with his cavalry, just focus all firepower on him and he'll be dead in no time.

    Not unbeatable in Mikra Asia no more... Thureophoroi with hippeis xystophoroi is what you need there... Archers are then suddenly degraded from a battle turning unit to a specialist support unit.

    I am honoured to have been presented with my first baloons - - by Ibrahim for tactical observations
    and with my second balloon by Christopher Burgoyne for physical elaboration on the advantages conferred by the Kontos over the Xyston.

  26. #26
    iudex thervingiorum Member athanaric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Lusitania
    Posts
    1,114

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtmeister View Post
    This is interesting - I usually use archers (among other things) as a counter-unit against slingers and find them to be very effective...
    As in "kill some of them at range so that every subsequent volley of them will do less damage because fewer men can shoot fewer projectiles".
    I found foot archers to be effective against slingers, who are in turn effective against HAs. Against armoured steppe nobles your Rhodian Slingers should be more useful than archers.




    Swęboz guide for EB 1.2
    Tips and Tricks for New Players
    from Hannibal Khan the Great, Brennus, Tellos Athenaios, and Winsington III.

  27. #27
    Member Member Macilrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Posts
    1,592

    Default Re: Archer

    I just noticed a nice detail.

    I had a Roman army facing off with some Gauls, unwashed, longhaired, moustached Averni spearmen. I got an Accensi om their R Flank, a Celtic Slinger (Gauls wishing to be civilised of course, romanisation spreads as I write), and a Cretan Archer in front.

    The poor Gauls withered under this barrage, but I had the chance to soom on to them and was amazed.

    The Creatan Archers' arrows stuck in the ground. I loved it. Pincushion, it looked so cool and nice and ... REAL
    'For months Augustus let hair and beard grow and occasionally banged his head against the walls whilst shouting; "Quinctillius Varus, give me my legions back"' -Sueton, Augustus.

    "Deliver us oh God, from the fury of the Norsemen", French prayer, 9th century.
    Ask gi'r klask! ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk

    Balloon count: 13

  28. #28
    Symbasileus ton Rhomaioktonon Member Maion Maroneios's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Heraklion, Crete, Greece
    Posts
    2,610

    Default Re: Archer

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk View Post
    1-2 units of cretans, plus 2-3 units of slingers, and then add your hoplites. unbeatable.

    even if the stupid makedonian charges with his cavalry, just focus all firepower on him and he'll be dead in no time.
    Nice going dude! Why don't you make the rest of your army missiles as well, with a couple of Rhodioi and some Eastern archers for added flavour? Cheating? Nah...

    Maion
    ~Maion

  29. #29
    Unoffical PBM recruiter person Member /Bean\'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Plymoutai
    Posts
    1,861

    Default Re: Archer

    Oh no! Maion doesn't like the secret to defeating the armies of Makedon being openly spread on the Org! Run, little children, run!
    =========================================
    Look out for the upcoming Warriors of the La Tene PBM, a new style of interactive EB gaming rising from the ashes of BtSH and WotB!
    ========================================================
    + =
    [/CENTER]

  30. #30
    Member Member Nachtmeister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Hamburg, Germany
    Posts
    386

    Default Re: Archer

    No he's right - it simply is not very representative of what was normally fielded by the southern Greek city-states... It's a bit like a Roman fullstack of extraordinarii or a Qarthadastim fullstack with more than one unit of elephants. Dedicated missile units should be the exception in a Greek army - something like 1-3 units total. Especially when fighting in Hellas proper. Of course, Bosphoran warfare is an entirely different matter.
    Most of the missile damage in a mainland Greek army should come from skirmishers, not long-range units. Decreasing the numbers of / baiting hetairoi with slingers is fine - but just hammering them into oblivion before they can reach the front line is just a plain abuse of the game engine imo.

    I am honoured to have been presented with my first baloons - - by Ibrahim for tactical observations
    and with my second balloon by Christopher Burgoyne for physical elaboration on the advantages conferred by the Kontos over the Xyston.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO