Regionalism/Nationalism/Globalism

[Cronos Impera]

An Orgah survey.
What affiliation suits you the most in this Century?

a)Regionalism
States in US
Land in Germany
Regions/Counties in the rest of the world
b)Nationalism
Country in EU
US
Other independent entities
c) Globalism
European Union
United Nations
......

d)Gah 1
I am an undercover agent of the Octosquid Collective.

e)Gah 2
I like polls.

[CountArach]

We are going through a period of intense global integration. I wholeheartedly approve and would willingly be part of a world state.

[HoreTore]

On the condition that it's decentralized as hell, then count me in on this world state.

[Fragony]

A. Netherlands, USA, Canada, Australia, and Scandinavia. Belgium and Luxembourg as well. Pure win.

[Vuk]

lol, there are too many conflicts and dislikes. Look what happened to Yugoslavia? The only way that a world state would work is if you were to first get rid of all that rivalry, hatred, and conflict (religious, ethnic, ideological, etc). Even still, when the world is so split up on how a country should be governed (Socialism in Europe, Communism in many place, whatever the heck you call America - I will not get into an argument over definitions), that it would never work. Regions would all want to be governed whatever the prevailing way in that reason is and it would fragment. As ideal as it sounds (kinda like Communism did), it just would not work. (even if you went through mass killings and reeducations like the USSR)
Best thing to do IMO is for us all to stick our nose out of each others business and try to work together...not to make others work for us *cough* International law *cough* US in Iraq *cough* Russia in Central Europe *cough*
Sure, some international laws are needed to ensure that everyone does stick their nose out of everyone else's business, but other than that, I think we should let Iraq do what Iraq does, China do what China does, Russia do what Russia does, the US do what the US does, etc. (I am talking about governments, not individuals getting involved in humanitarian work or charity)

[HoreTore]

The only way that a world state would work is if you were to first get rid of all that rivalry, hatred, and conflict (religious, ethnic, ideological, etc).

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

[Furunculus]

The Sovereign Nation State.

[Fragony]

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

Sounds like you are ready to tell an african to tell his goat to stop farting because it contains CO2.

[Vuk]

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

It does sound great, too bad it is impossible. You see, no one agrees as to the roots of the problems, and everyone wants to blame someone else. Are you ready to push your belief over everyone else and kill any who resist? If not, then I am afraid the best thing to do is live and let live.
I am being completely honest when I say that there are few people I agree with less than the Dutch, and sure, there are opposing beliefs that would never work together in a single state, but I am gonna go tell the Dutch that they have to start doing things my way. The only way for us to live peacefully together would be for us both to agree on something else (never gonna happen), or for one of us to push our beliefs on someone else, which would just be wrong. I do not wanna attack Dutchland () cause I think they got it wrong, and I do not want to tell them how to govern their country or put sanctions on them. I am sure the Dutch disagree with us, but as long as they are not trying to force their ideas on us, or put sanctions on us, I am content to disagree with them. The best decision is just to live and let live. Most of the horrors and wars that have happened in the world are the result of someone trying to push their beliefs on someone else. You want world peace? Then you gotta sell it to the world (which may be hard, but probably not impossible) that the best thing to do is just leave each other alone.

(Heck, I strooongly disagree with the Russian government, and think that it is oppressive, but it is not the job of the US to stick its nose in. If a citizen wants to speak out, fine, but the government should not stick its nose into another government's business)

[Rhyfelwyr]

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

Why bother? The only reason these problems exist are because these people are hateful.

OK I'll stop spilling stuff over from the other thread...

Personally, I like regionanlism. Govern every region the way that suits it best, with just enough centralisation to be efficient. The world is still to diverse a place for a big world government.

[LittleGrizzly]

We are going through a period of intense global integration. I wholeheartedly approve and would willingly be part of a world state.

What this clever guy said!

[Furunculus]

What this clever guy said!

all very clever until you realise that you will be submitting to a government composed in part of people who believe that honour killings are normal practice, and suti, and female genital mutilation, and wearing wooden shoes, and ......................................

and then you realise that western democracy has worked precisely because it inculcated a shared family with shared values, which is why you, the individual, submit to be governed by others in your name.

oh wait, never mind.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The basic problem with one world government is that you can't run and you can't hide.

[Jolt]

b and c. European Union with great political autonomies for its member states. Expel the UK.

[Husar]

all very clever until you realise that you will be submitting to a government composed in part of people who believe that honour killings are normal practice, and suti, and female genital mutilation, and wearing wooden shoes, and ......................................

and then you realise that western democracy has worked precisely because it inculcated a shared family with shared values, which is why you, the individual, submit to be governed by others in your name.

oh wait, never mind.

I don't really know what you have against the dutch but who said we're going to vote muslim extremists in? Do you really think they have that much of a fanbase across the world?

[Furunculus]

I don't really know what you have against the dutch but who said we're going to vote muslim extremists in? Do you really think they have that much of a fanbase across the world?

muslim extremists........?

suti is/was an indian practice of burning the wife alive on the pyre of her dead husband.

FGM is i believe an arab/african cultural practice that just happens to coexist with islam.

[LittleGrizzly]

It doesn't have to be exactly like one big country straight away... half the reason people believe in backward things like wooden shoes is because thier economy's haven't developed yet

I would like a world goverment but not a forced one, it would have to be up to each county to decide.. but lets assume thats happened all over..

Firstly I would try to harmonise the world into zones, say like EU, SAU ect.

Then concentrate on economic development in poorer regions

Then over time the zones can join up as they get to similar levels of development until its one functional goverment...

lots of money saved on expensive army's, that money can go on research, and obviously the world research and space program budgets are now on big budget, rather than researching things another country already knows all knowledge is pool and learning shared...

oh wait, never mind.

Thats lucky because i had this long list of things... like tax havens, various forms of international crime...

[Husar]

It doesn't have to be exactly like one big country straight away... half the reason people believe in backward things like wooden shoes is because thier economy's haven't developed yet

The dutch economy has not developed yet? You learn something new everyday...

[Louis VI the Fat]

What affiliation suits you the most in this Century?

a)Regionalism

b)Nationalism

c) Globalism


d)Gah 1
I am an undercover agent of the Octosquid Collective.

e)Gah 2
I like polls.

Can I vote all five of the above?

[HoreTore]

Can I vote all five of the above?

No wonder you french have lost all respect, you can't even decide on a simple poll!

Now make up for you indecision by sending me one of them french babes.

[Strike For The South]

Texas
France

The rest may burn, I care not what happens to those philistines.