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    hi all.
    recently i am conquering greece, as a roman.
    it means, obviously, that i have to face makedonia, epeiros, and koinon ellenon.
    no problem about it - i mean, with legions, who cares how many they are. just ask where they are! - .
    the funny thing is that often i have to face the phalangitai - with sarissae, veery long spears - in the middle of the woods.
    this does not seem to disturb them. they keep formation, move, fight, without any problem.
    this seems to me rather unrealistic...
    moreover, i noticed that the covert of the woods is not that effective against missile troops. i mean: if you are in the woods, bullets and arrows shell like hell as in the open ground. if some missile troops fire from the woods, all their f..ing bullets and arrows arrive straight over your head.
    rather strange, i guess.
    hope i posted it in the right place.
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    1-think about Alexander Campaign of India phalanxes fought in the forest and they won though nearly Alex died.

    2- think about robin hood he ambushed soldiers in the forest.

    so they are logical but phalanx armies should have a disadvantage like cavalry while phalanx mode on it may be coded in EDU but if you code phalanx has this advantage wether phalanx mode is on or not so current engine limit give no chance to us.

    but archers should be less effective I agree but in ambushes they should have a surprise attack bonus. but AFAIK there is no game engine with that bonus.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Atraphoenix View Post
    1-think about Alexander Campaign of India phalanxes fought in the forest and they won though nearly Alex died.

    2- think about robin hood he ambushed soldiers in the forest.

    so they are logical but phalanx armies should have a disadvantage like cavalry while phalanx mode on it may be coded in EDU but if you code phalanx has this advantage wether phalanx mode is on or not so current engine limit give no chance to us.

    but archers should be less effective I agree but in ambushes they should have a surprise attack bonus. but AFAIK there is no game engine with that bonus.
    1, Thats only in the Movie .... ^^

    2. Yes, but Robin Hoods soldier didnt fight in formation like the ones in EB. Buts that the problem with the Rome engine. But anyway units in forests get a bonus against arrows or javelines. But again you cant see it cause in the Rome engine all Missile fly at the target no matter if they hit or not. But you get less casualties.
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    the biggest mistake you've made is that ur challanging the hellenes as a barbaroi. ur doomed to fail, sorry.




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    Default Re: phalangitai and missile in the woods

    shortly possible in life but not with RTW



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    Probably something hardcoded, I guess EB team cant do anything about it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by satalexton View Post
    the biggest mistake you've made is that ur challanging the hellenes as a barbaroi. ur doomed to fail, sorry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by satalexton View Post
    the biggest mistake you've made is that ur challanging the hellenes as a barbaroi. ur doomed to fail, sorry.
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    Well, well, satalaexton. The Barbaroi are showing us their real faces again. What is the last resort of a failing barbaros? Violence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk View Post
    I Challenge you Averni vs your faction of choice.
    I choose......Bartix.

    Sorry, u WILL lose that. No hard feelings.




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    Default Re: phalangitai and missile in the woods

    Quote Originally Posted by seienchin View Post
    1, Thats only in the Movie .... ^^

    2. Yes, but Robin Hoods soldier didnt fight in formation like the ones in EB. Buts that the problem with the Rome engine. But anyway units in forests get a bonus against arrows or javelines. But again you cant see it cause in the Rome engine all Missile fly at the target no matter if they hit or not. But you get less casualties.
    1) Well he did do that crazy Leroy Jenkins move when he went over the wall BY HIMSELF and freaked everyone out. A few siege ladders actually broke under the weight of all the guys trying to save his butt.
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