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    As you may guess from my screen name here, I happen to be a big TES fan. I admit, I came to the scene rather late, I didn't get Morrowind until about 2006. I bought it second hand at a local store known as Bookmans (a poor video game addicts dream, by the way. Return a game in 7 days if you dont like it, no questions asked.) I had heard about it, vaguely, but didn't really know the actual content of the game.

    So I took it home, threw it on the hard drive and, about twelve hours later, realized I had to pee really badly.

    Morrowind has many flaws, I admit. Its graphics are not top-notch, although with some texture packs things look pretty decent even by todays standards. It's got a terribly primitive dialogue display. I mean, really, HYPERTEXT? And the interface really could be better.

    But, at the same time, its strengths, and they are many...oh so many...make it one of my favorite games of all time.

    First off, the dialogue. Yeah, it's primitive, but you know, I like it more than Oblivion's system. It's particularly jarring when you speak to some old beggar woman who just recently addressed you in tones suitable for an eighty year old, only to have her suddenly change vocal chords and speech patterns with a young woman from England.
    The text nicely circumvents that, and allows far more OPTIONS. I like asking people about rumors and not getting the same three lines of text over and over. Morrowind had at least five :P

    That brings me to the voices...oh, the voices.
    Morrowind got things RIGHT. Wood Elves were annoying little buggers, but they're supposed to be. Dark Elves and Khajit were BRILLIANT, completely and utterly perfect.
    By comparison, Oblivion's voice actors are rather dull. Dark Elves do have a trace of that husky accent, but it's not nearly as pronounced. The Khajit were toned down as well. And, in my opinion, the High Elves sound just a touch less arrogant and condescending.
    And, of course, the insults. I loved it when I got called a 'swit' or an 'n'wah'. Those words engraved themselves in the same part of my brain as Thief's 'taffer'.
    Oblivion lacks these lovely creative insults. Instead we get "STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM."
    What is this, a 70's cop drama?

    Closely related to that is the culture. Morrowind featured a vibrant island setting, with a massive amount of history, which WORKED. It was quite clear, to me at least, that all of the old forts were designed to be lived in. All the tombs had the appropriate decor you'd expect. The cities were a bit sparse, yes, but I can forgive that in the face of all the interesting things in them.
    The religion, and the conflict between the colonial Imperials and their own religion, was clear and well played out. The Dark Elves are not happy about all these dirty foreigners and most of them aren't bothering to hide it, even if they tolerate you.
    And the architecture...oh my, the architecture. Morrowind was ORIGINAL there, at least, fairly original. Each clan had its own unique style, from the adobe buildings of the Hlaalu to the Redoran crabshells to the Telvanni giant-plant-things. Even better was the jarringly out of place Imperial architecture, all hard edges and greyness.

    Oblivion seems to take place in Generic Fantasy Land #425. I mean, the Imperials are supposed to be (sort of) based on Rome, right? But, of course, somebody decided to cut that out and turn them into something else. I, for one, would have far more liked to see a Roman-based Cyrodill than the silly mishmash that we got.
    Worse, NONE of the dungeons in Oblivion seem to be practical. The deserted towers only feature beds or any sort of indication that they were designed for human inhabitants when they're home to raiders or Goblins. Apparently, in fact, they were mostly built to put dead people in, to judge by the number of tombs in them.
    The same goes for the Aylied ruins. Big rooms, almost always empty or full of traps. People talk about the 'mystery of the Aylieds', but is it really a wonder that an empire vanishes when its architecture features pitfalls and deadly gas vents in every room?

    Pacing is a big factor as well. Oblivion is just too fast.
    I'd use a metaphor here, but I might get banned, so I wont.
    Anyway, Oblivion hurls you right into the main quest with the imminent threat that THE WORLD IS GOING TO DIE IF YOU DONT ACT NOW. Of course, it doesn't, but that's not the point. The premise is that the city is going to get EATEN BY MEHRUNES DAGON RIGHT NOW, even if it isn't, and I feel like kind of a jerk for not getting on it right away.
    Morrowind, by contrast, hands you a note and tells you to go talk to some jerk in some city. The jerk in question turns out to be the resident crazy old man (on first appearance) and sets you to running some basic chores for him. No need to rush, it's not like
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    There's a giant bronze golem and an insane demi-god planning to ethnically cleanse the entire island. Oh and the gods aren't real. Or something.

    Long story short, Oblivion hurls you directly into a mess. Morrowind is content to let you wander about without making you feel like a jerk.

    Now, here's the sticky bit. Many people derided Oblivion for its compass and arrows...and I kind of agree. Yeah, the directions in Morrowind were terrible, usually, but they were often exactly the kind of directions people really give. A map with directions of some kind would have been nice...especially considering all the paper lying around, but hey, what'cha gonna do?

    Lastly, a personal issue, thievery. My main complaint, besides the whole 'Medieval LOJACK' with which every owned item in Cyrodil is equipped, was the worthlessness of items in Oblivion. You could break into somebodies house and steal all the silverware and come out with about 30 septims for it. Which is, approximately, enough to buy a bent spork from your local shop in the same game. In Morrowind, being a thief was wonderfully, but not overly, profitable venture. Especially fun once you got the skills to start breaking into stores, which had stock and didn't keep it suspended below the floor in an unpickably locked chest. A fact somewhat countered by many stores actually employing GUARDS and not relying on their owners ability to manipulate spacetime.

    Anyway, let the TES fanboy battle begin! Engarde!
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    I like Morrowind better as well, it's a more interesting place. The world of Oblivion is so monotone, same architecture everywhere, same landscapes. Morrowind was much more diverse, really felt like traveling to different places, world of Oblivion may be larger but it doesn't feel like that.

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    I know exactly what you mean. After I bought Oblivion some number of years ago...was it '06-07'? I played through the main quest, and was completely disappointed. Actually maybe only two months ago, I re-downloaded morrowind, found all the old mods I really liked for it, and I'm still working on beating the game, I'm working on the Five Shrines Quest up in Solstheim.

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    I never played the first two games, but between Morrowind and Oblivion, Morrowind is the clear winner for all the reasons you give. Unfortunately, it will probably retain that title forever, because a lot of the things that made Morrowind better have now been permanently 'retired' by Bethsoft.


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    Morrowind with Oblivion's graphics...

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    Not really a fanboy battle to expect here. Morrowind wins. It's better. It's virtually bugfree and was so on release. It's got the better story. It had two wonderful expansion packs. It let's you immerse. It's more interesting. It's funnier. It's ... I'll stop here.

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    I once spent a weekend in Morrowind diving for pearls and hunting mudcrabs to earn money for my new character. It's actually one of my fondest memories of the game; never done anything like it in another game, never been able to.

    Other times I remember the cliff racers. Most of my time in the game was spent without the cliff racer removal mod.

    Oblivion did a few things better than its predecessor. I liked seeing non-hostile wildlife as I wandered. I did like the compass; seeing unknown blips appear and being tempted to divert from my journey to see what they were, instead of heading out on dedicated exploration trips. Obviously the graphics. And ... er ... at this point I struggle. There were probably some others. It's been several years since I played Morrowind and a year since I completed Oblivion, so it's a bit hard to remember what belongs to which game.

    I hated the way enemies levelled up with you. I hated the way this made the already dangerously gamey character building system completely broken - playing the whole game at level 1 was the best way to make a powerful character! I disliked the way horses were added in and in the same breath made completely pointless. The loss of options and variety on all fronts was a sore point. Oblivion gates, need I say more of them? The world itself was not as interesting. Everything was pasted in a nasty bloom effect, and parts of the world were simply twee. Oblivion is the game which introduced NPC schedules to the series, isn't it? I hated them too. Nice idea in theory; in practice I ended up wasting infuriating amounts of time looking for people because they had moved.

    Morrowind did have a better sense of place. More coherant, less generic. That counts for a lot. Its factions were much more varied and more meaningful.

    Then there are the issues which are in both games. The poor writing and plot, the unbelievable characters, the large number of fetch quests, the tunnel dungeons, the AI break downs, the dull combat, the decidedly average voice acting, the dull conversations. I'm not fond of the character building system in the ES series. It's another case of nice idea in theory, bad idea in practice. At least for me.

    The one major, major advantage the ES series has - and the thing I like them best for - is that there is nothing else like them available. No other RPG (excepting Fallout 3) drops you off into a massive world and lets you to do whatever you like to this extent. For that I shall always play and like them, warts and all. I just won't love them until they remove some of the warts.

    And why does it rain so often in ES-land? I swear the place should be flooded by now ...
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    It makes sense that it rains in Morrowind a lot, I mean, half the island is swamp :P

    But yeah, one of the things I liked about Morrowind was the unbelievable characters. Remember Crassus Curio? And his first quest?
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    Have you ever tried the Gothic series?
    Morrowind was nice but I never finished it because it was huge and tedious as well and i kinda lost track of the main quest.


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    Morrowind with Oblivion's graphics...
    That'll be beyond awesome. I liked Morrowind's detail, but I just couldn't bear it's graphics and animation......normally I on't mind graphics so much, but when I started on Morrowind, after finishing Oblivion, first I was thrown by the lack of the minimap, and quick travel, (which made Oblivion very easy and comfy), and next I was depressed just looking at the charecters and some of the scenes.....

    However, work is on on the Tamerial (that's what it's spelled as no?) project, they're creating a larger gameworld as mods for TES3. When that's out, I'll dust the box once more.


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    EDIT:
    There's some mods, I think, that either change the weather patterns or let you control the weather. For both games, actually :D


    I never really liked Gothic. The TES series is, IMO, superior simply because of its moddability. Balmorra became the biggest city in the world in my game :P

    Speaking of cities, there's another annoying bit about Oblivion. For me, none of the cities really felt city-like. Especially Imperial City. Supposedly the capital of the continent-spanning empire, with its population of, say, fifty. Ish.
    The imperial palace consist of, apparently, the council chamber and some guard barracks. And whats more, there's nothing of real value in there besides some trinkets in the imperial battlemages quarters.
    Considering how common enchanted weapons are, you'd figure all the guards in the barracks would be issued with +5 Swords of Fiery Pwning. Instead they can just kick your ass because they're always twenty levels above you no matter what.
    Balmorra is probably the best example of what FELT like a 'real' city. The Hlaalu council hall had everything a council hall should have. It was all arranged in a manner not-quite standard to what a modern human would expect, but you could certainly see a bunch of Dark Elves appreciating. It was even surrounded by noblemen's houses. As I recall, Cyrodill doesn't apparently HAVE noblemen besides the counts who rule the cities.
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    I never played Oblivion because I didn’t like the departure from Morrowind. Even the X-box version of Morrowind was phenomenal. There was a real sense of peril at times. Yea, my characters died a few times. Sometimes I would “walk” by the cave entrance of a difficult enemy and just look at the door, hatefully, for a little bit, thinking about what I needed to do to clear the area. I wonder how long save games last on the X-box. I have my strongholds setup exactly as I want them. A real work of beauty, all of them; except for the vagrant character I created who just has various squats around the island.

    Then there was the time I accidently finished the main quest. That was funny.

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    It makes sense that it rains in Morrowind a lot, I mean, half the island is swamp :P.
    Swamp? It (and Oblivion's theme park) should have been Atlantis.

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    I've been thinking about loading up Morrowind on my laptop for those overnighters with work, can anyone suggest some good mods for it?

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    I remember enjoying The Illuminated Order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ja'chyra View Post
    I've been thinking about loading up Morrowind on my laptop for those overnighters with work, can anyone suggest some good mods for it?
    Better Bodies is essential. Morrowind Comes Alive is brilliant - it really adds in a lot of extra people. Not sure about gameplay ones though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ja'chyra View Post
    I've been thinking about loading up Morrowind on my laptop for those overnighters with work, can anyone suggest some good mods for it?
    Vampire Embrace is a good one. It gives being a vampire a lot more depth. The Werewolf Evolution mod is highly unstable, but fun as well. The Floating House or whatever its called is good as well.

    You know...I really didn't get that many gameplay mods for Morrowind...I thought it was mostly fine as is .-.
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    Ah, Morrowind. Sometimes I actually miss it and it's world. *sigh* To taste ash yam, to hunt some wild guars.. To hear the music, to see the people. Probably the best game I've ever played.

    As for mods, I used to have 50-100 of them running at one point.. I suggest you go to Planet Elder Scrolls and check the top mods there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ja'chyra View Post
    I've been thinking about loading up Morrowind on my laptop for those overnighters with work, can anyone suggest some good mods for it?
    You'll probably want the unofficial patch; Morrowind doesn't have any gamebreaking issues from what I recall, but it fixes a lot of minor bugs and inconsistencies and there's no reason to not use it.

    Galsiah's character development mod is good, from what I recall. It changes the character development system so your character develops more organically, so you don't need to worry about leveling or stat optimization.

    Atmospheric Sound Effects adds various enviromental sounds to the game, enhancing immersion.

    That's a few off the top of my head; there's tons of other great mods out there which I've used, but I unfortunately can't point you to them since it's been such a long time since I played Morrowind.

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    There was a graphical expansion mod that I had on my Morrowind at one point, it added a pseudo-HDR Lighting feature and enhanced all textures and did various other things but I really cannot remember details of it, it made a nice addition.

    I'd love to still have my Morrowind on my PC, had all he expansions and everything but it mysteriously vanished as most things do on my computer. The CD's too, I know I didn't sell them, rather they're lost in the tombs of my loft, probably scratched and chipped beyond repair.

    Haha, I remember when me and my mate would use the command lines to edit our acrobatics skill to an insane level and we'd be jumping from rooftop to rooftop, occasionally dropping down in an alleyway to slaughter some innocent dark elf and dispose of his or her body.... the feature of which just happened to be removed in Oblivion. Heh, good times.
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    I only had the opportunity to play morrowind for a few hours, and I still had more fun than with playing oblivion for as long as I have played it. I didnt know they were for the computer untill I read this, and now I think instead of getting morrowind for the xbox, Ill go for the typey-box instead.

    I personally liked the scaling of the monsters in Oblivion, and I definitely agree that the npc allie were so suckish when you were at a higher leve that it was a joke. In Kvatch, my level 18 character sat and watched as every member of the guard was decimated in one hit by the denizens of doom. But it really made killing all the soldiers in the imperial city a test of ones abilities. Going to guards barracks with nothing but an elven dagger and your magic, now that was great stuff. Took me about an hour to finally kill everybody using invisibilty and a meagre restoration spell. (slash twice, run backwards, become invisible, run behind them, do it again.)

    But I must say that wth morrowind, exploration was so much better, and even more fun. Seriously, that map was a very nice thing to have. In oblivion, it was so...bland. You walk soe, you see some flowers, a tree, and a bandit with daedric everything. You kill the bandit, take the flowers, get bored, and fast travel to get things over with.... And I have noticed that nagging sense of urgency that makes completing the sidequests a test of one's concious. You almost feel guilty leaving the world to die while you galavant your way through incrdibly simmilar caves and worm your way to the top of every single guild when you shouldnt be able to. ... I miss morrowind...and I wil always play an argonian or a dark elf, just for the sake of nostalgia.
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    I enjoyed the environment more in Morrowind. Maybe because the game made me feel like more of an outsider. Also enjoyed the fast traveling system there, with silts or boats.

    But standing on the highest peaks of Jerall Mts in Oblivion and seeing all Cyrodiil before you was fun too. And riding on a horse was fun as well. As someone else said, a mix of Oblivion & Morrowind would be the best TES5.
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    Muth-sera...

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    I loved that greeting.
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    morrowind was the better game.
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    N'wah!

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    Hope the voice acting is going to be better in TES 5 than it was in Oblivion... That was some terrible stuff. Oblivion's dark elves' voice? Argh. Morrowind's voice acting was way better.
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    Even though it was 70% the same voice actors in both games?
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    good review Sheogorath, i agree with it.

    i played morrowind for months, but got bored with oblivion after only weeks.

    on the other hand my mother played oblivion (plus expansions) religiously for what must have been nearly a year!
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    Default Re: Why I'll always say Morrowind is the best TES game

    I saw Steam has ES III GOTY Ed. for $20, I was thinking about getting it but I'm unsure. I have ES IV for the 360 and I liked it a lot although I know ES III is a lot different from ES IV in many ways.
    Last edited by Mailman653; 07-28-2009 at 03:50.

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