Consolidated bug list

**Slaists** · 04-21-2009, 16:11

Originally Posted by Beskar

No it doesn't.

Giving 2500 gift gives you +25 points with the faction.
Giving 5000 gift gives you +50 points with the faction.
Giving 10,000 gift gives you +100 points with the faction.

These points don't stack.

Unless a patch broke this since I tested this myself basically when the game first came out, it should still work the same.

Not sure how it was BEFORE the patch, but in my current games the 2,500 gift definitely gives +100 points to my relationship with faction.

Originally Posted by Liberator

Battles

'Cover' seems to go broke after tech like 'fire by rank' is developed.

I have seen none of both so far. France is just a hangaround faction in my campaigns so far. It neighter conquered anything nor was defeated

I have seen France destroyed by the small AI factions several times in my VH (not sure if the difficulty has anything to do with it) campaigns.

**Beskar** · 04-22-2009, 03:53

Originally Posted by Slaists

Not sure how it was BEFORE the patch, but in my current games the 2,500 gift definitely gives +100 points to my relationship with faction.

Given it a mental note. I been doing the 10,000 and never noticed the break, doh. :(

**aimlesswanderer** · 04-22-2009, 10:40

As Sweden I made peace with Russia and agreed to pay them 1k for 10 turns. However, after, the only way to figure out that I had an agreement was to check my "other" income, which went down to 2k for the duration. The diplomacy screen was absolutely no help, it didn't think that any agreement had been made.

It would be nice to have a breakdown of your "other" income. I'd like to know how much my various protectorates give me.

Possibly not a bug, but maybe pirates should build a few more defensive units and maybe even take weakly defended nearby provinces... but that would need the complete lack of AI invasions to be fixed - not on your list?

You've taken on a major undertaking, thank you!

**Fisherking** · 04-22-2009, 12:56

Other odd trade theater bugs

More than one faction on a spot.

Unable to attack Pirate Fleets on a trade spot.

At the moment in a campaign I am playing there is a Dutch and a Spanish fleet sharing the same trade spot. I can not attack the Spanish fleet, only the Dutch.

I am also sharing a spot with a pirate fleet which can not be attacked.

**Slaists** · 04-22-2009, 14:15

Originally Posted by Fisherking

Other odd trade theater bugs

More than one faction on a spot.

Unable to attack Pirate Fleets on a trade spot.

At the moment in a campaign I am playing there is a Dutch and a Spanish fleet sharing the same trade spot. I can not attack the Spanish fleet, only the Dutch.

I am also sharing a spot with a pirate fleet which can not be attacked.

More than one faction on a spot seems to be a by-product of the bug that 'incapacitates' fleets on a trade spot. The fleets cannot be moved (only destroyed) and they do not trade. Once this happened to me and I forgot about the fleet for a turn. The next turn: a Dutch fleet was sitting on the same spot (while my fleet was still there) and trading away...

Being unable to attack pirate fleets seems a by-product of the same issue...

**Slaists** · 04-22-2009, 14:27

I believe the whole interception mechanism does not work as intended. In the current version of the game, If I choose the option to intercept anybody passing by, while I am sitting in a fort, I get to DEFEND while sitting behind the walls. Come on,... if I am INTERCEPTING I should be the one in the field trying to chase the enemy that's trying to sneak by.

The following example clearly shows that the current system is not working as intended (or does not have much logic to it).

1. I sit in a fort with a FULL STACK.
2. Two(!) enemy CAVALRY units try to sneak by aiming for my factory town behind the fort.
3. I get the option to INTERCEPT.

Decision path A:

4. Fine, I choose the option to ATTACK.
5. As we go into the battle-mode, enemy loses (without the battle even opening). Of course, cavalry cannot storm the fort (at least in the game)... And, come to think of it, probably did not intend to ATTACK my fort anyway. They were trying to SNEAK BY.

... if I chose not to go into the battle screen but rather auto-resolved, I would still win, but both sides would suffer losses.

Decision path B:

4. Fine, I choose the option to DECLINE ATTACK
5. Enemy cavalry proceeds on their merry way to burn my town behind the fort (not attack my fort).

Clearly, the side that intercepts should be the one attacking, not the other way around. Under the current system, the AI is forced to storm fully garrisoned forts with raiders (1-3 units). What's force, the AI is forced to storm forts with cavalry-only groups... Even the TW AI wouldn't do that unless forced to do it by the game interception mechanics.

**Rhuarc** · 04-24-2009, 17:34

Originally Posted by Slaists

More than one faction on a spot seems to be a by-product of the bug that 'incapacitates' fleets on a trade spot. The fleets cannot be moved (only destroyed) and they do not trade. Once this happened to me and I forgot about the fleet for a turn. The next turn: a Dutch fleet was sitting on the same spot (while my fleet was still there) and trading away...

Being unable to attack pirate fleets seems a by-product of the same issue...

This is because once your units get stuck this way, the program sees the trade spot as open since your unit has for all intents and purposes been removed from further gameplay.

To expand on this bug, I attacked a Spanish fleet on a trade spot and defeated them such that they had a few surviving ships which should have retreated. Instead, they got stuck on their way out of the trade spot. I think it was the 'retreat' part of the AI action that created the hiccup, not the battle itself. Needless to say I was still able to use the trade zone myself for the next 40 years while the Spanish lingered alongside in limbo.

Forts: I had another similar bug with forts- the cause is related I think. I was occupying a Russian fort, in Russian territory, with my veteran eastern army and negotiated peace. This should have resulted in the return of all units in enemy territory. Instead, I found my stack of crack troops still in the Russian province, 'standing' in the of the fort spot, and completely stuck. It was eerily reminiscent of the trade spot bug. I think they again got stuck during the AI's attempt to 'retreat' them out of the fort back to my territory. I had no option to move them, could not bear to disband my best army, so I quit the campaign.

**Oaty** · 04-22-2009, 21:16

Originally Posted by aimlesswanderer

As Sweden I made peace with Russia and agreed to pay them 1k for 10 turns. However, after, the only way to figure out that I had an agreement was to check my "other" income, which went down to 2k for the duration. The diplomacy screen was absolutely no help, it didn't think that any agreement had been made.

It would be nice to have a breakdown of your "other" income. I'd like to know how much my various protectorates give me.

You've taken on a major undertaking, thank you!

As far as the game goes you only get 3 income statements tax, trade and other, the easy way to figure it out is to find out what your base other income is and then do deductions from there

**Monsieur Alphonse** · 04-23-2009, 07:25

Forts

If you capture a region that has a ford in it, the ford changes to your culture. I captured Punjab in my British campaign and the Mughal fortes changed in a star fort. In my Ottoman campaign all the star fortresses in Europe became Eastern forts.

Trade

The trade screen can get corrupted. I have had a trade screen that wasn't showing trade while according to the diplomatic screen I was trading with a faction.
AND
I have now a trade screen where I have three trade routes with the UP and two with the Ottoman Empire. This ads some 12,000 extra gold to my treasury each turn.

**Daveybaby** · 04-23-2009, 15:50

Pretty minor one, but: It snows far more often in battles in north africa and southern spain than one would normally expect.

**Slaists** · 04-24-2009, 18:37

Originally Posted by Daveybaby

Pretty minor one, but: It snows far more often in battles in north africa and southern spain than one would normally expect.

Lol, I guess, all the north african battles were fought in the Atlas mountains :)) It does snow there. I have seen it myself: snowfall so dense, I could not see further than a couple meters from my car's window...