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    I’m a tired old and worn out man
    And my eyes have long gone blind
    most things that people say to me
    Just seem to slip my mind

    But the suffering and painful times
    That were in years long gone
    Are still as clear upon my memory
    As the numbers on my arm

    What will become of all the memories
    Are they to scatter with the dust in the breeze
    Who will stand before the World
    Knowing what to say
    When the very last survivor
    Fades away

    When I hold my grandson close to me
    And his fingers trace the pattern of my tears
    He asks me “Zayda, tell me why do you cry
    What is it that you fear?”

    And I tell him there once was another child
    Who sound as sweet and felt as warm
    But he was taken from before my eyes
    And only I remained to mourn

    What will become of all the memories
    Are they to scatter with the dust in the breeze
    Who will stand before the World
    That wishes to deny
    How will they believe in someone
    Who never heard the cries

    There’s little I can say or do to make things change
    Time has a way of passing by so fast
    Like a fleeting shadow no one will recall
    The faces of the past

    What will become of all the memories
    Are they to scatter like the dust in the breeze
    Only one thought gives me comfort -
    It’s all that I have left -
    I know that God in heaven
    Won’t forget.
    Holocaust Remembrance Day 2009.
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    You who live safe
    In your warm houses,
    You who find, returning in the evening,
    Hot food and friendly faces:
    Consider if this is a man
    Who works in the mud
    Who does not know peace
    Who fights for a scrap of bread
    Who dies because of a yes or no.
    Consider if this is a woman,
    Without hair and without name
    With no more strength to remember,
    Her eyes empty and her womb cold
    Like a frog in winter.
    Meditate that this came about:
    I commend these words to you.
    Carve them in your hearts
    At home, in the street,
    Going to bed, rising;
    Repeat them to your children,
    Or may your house fall apart,
    May illness impede you,
    May your children turn their faces from you.

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    May it never be repeated..

    I don't have a fancy poem at hand but let me just say my heart bleeds for all the holocaust victims and all those who survived the evil to tell the tale...
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    The tragedy of human savagery.




    Let us hope humanity is done walking down these horrible paths of hate and destruction. I know it may seem a bit out of place but if your going to take some time out of your daily life to remember the holocaust, also take that time to remember the numerous other genocides of the previous century. Let us never repeat it.


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    Αξιζει φιλε να πεθανεις για ενα ονειρο, κι ας ειναι η φωτια του να σε καψει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
    The tragedy of human savagery.




    Let us hope humanity is done walking down these horrible paths of hate and destruction. I know it may seem a bit out of place but if your going to take some time out of your daily life to remember the holocaust, also take that time to remember the numerous other genocides of the previous century. Let us never repeat it.
    If I may, I think that the Holocaust should serve as a lesson to us. It is great to hope that something like it will not happen again, but before Hitler seized power, I am sure few thought it could happen at all. People are stupid (all of us) and pretty easily manipulated when they are desperate or when they are too comfortable, and there will always be hateful people and opportunists out there. I think the suffering of Holocaust victims should serve as a warning to us to better guard our future, and be smarter than we have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peverblue View Post
    If I may, I think that the Holocaust should serve as a lesson to us. It is great to hope that something like it will not happen again, but before Hitler seized power, I am sure few thought it could happen at all. People are stupid (all of us) and pretty easily manipulated when they are desperate or when they are too comfortable, and there will always be hateful people and opportunists out there. I think the suffering of Holocaust victims should serve as a warning to us to better guard our future, and be smarter than we have been.

    Exactly. Hopefully we as human beings can process that the previous century can't happen again. So much suffering..


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    The real tragedy of the Holocaust isn't just that it happened, but how it happened and why it happened. We all like to villify the Nazis and think "Thank God, those nasty creatures are gone. We'll never let them come to power again". Ditto for Stalinists or the Khmer Rouge or whatever boogeyman upon which we wish to project our darker selves. But whenever I delve into the various genocides of the past century, I'm struck not by the magnamity of the crimes, but by the intimacy of them.

    Citing the Shoah as a specific example because I am much more familiar with it, not because it is somehow more atrocious or 'worse' than the others:

    The Nazis didn't just erupt from the bowels of hell like Saruman's Uruk Hai. Despite how desparately we need for this to be true so that we can live with ourselves, it never will be. Never. It was a crime we perpetrated upon ourselves.

    It was the newspaper boy, all grown up with his pretty brown shirt, that dragged off the 8-year old girl and her parents off to the train station to be loaded into the cattle car. He knew them because he delivered their paper, and at Christmas, they gave him a tip, even though they were Jewish.

    It was the piano teacher, hired into her new role as KZ matron, who tore her former pupil from his beseeching mother's arms and hauled him off to meet his fate in a chlorine shower.

    It was the handyman, who once sought odd jobs from the middle class eldrly couple down the street, that broke their skulls open with his baton, gleefully watching their life end before his very eyes, their faces upturned in uncomprehending fear, pain and betrayal....

    And it was the collective "not my problem, I'm not a Jew" or "not a Pole" or "not a gypsy" that allowed the rest of us to turn a blind eye when anyone with half a brain knew exactly what was going on after November 9th, 1938.

    It is our lack of ability to empathize with the rest of mankind that is the real tragedy that virtually guarantees in one form or another, they'll be repeated.
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    True story: When I was working in Chicago, I would drive past a large synagogue every day. For one week they had a big sign up that read: "Never again is now." Unfortunately for the congregation, there are two ways to read that sentence ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    True story: When I was working in Chicago, I would drive past a large synagogue every day. For one week they had a big sign up that read: "Never again is now." Unfortunately for the congregation, there are two ways to read that sentence ....
    i dont get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    i dont get it.
    It all depends on what we collectively do.

    "Never again is right now" can mean that it stops, from this moment, forever more.

    or, it can mean that it will happen again, right now.
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    ah. now i get it.
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    Let us all draw lessons from this horrible thing: let us, as the human race raise ourselves from such things as racism, antisemitism and fascism.
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    with such being said, we must now fight to end not only denial of the Holocaust, but also racism and we must raise awareness for the other genocides that are going on, like in Dafur.
    has everyone here seen "Freedom Writers"? great movie and i recommend it.
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    with such being said, we must now fight to end not only denial of the Holocaust, but also racism and we must raise awareness for the other genocides that are going on, like in Dafur.
    has everyone here seen "Freedom Writers"? great movie and i recommend it.
    Nevermind genocides; religious or ethnic intolerance should be stopped altogether; whether you are Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, black, white, Asian, people should try to tolerate eachother. We all live on the same planet
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    ah, thoughts like those are but dreams....
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    Was not the idea of a seperate Jewish state about 200/300 years ago? Or a black president of the United States 50 years ago?
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    Remember the crime and honour the ones who fight against it.

    Yes, Nazism was rooted in a more "common" ant-semitism, in a basic level racism against all what is out-normatives, as Gypsies, homo-sexuals, retarded or others differences, in skins, religions and ideas.
    But not all the population fall for it.
    Even in Germany, Hitler did need a coup to take full power.

    Never again is difficult.
    If it happened far, if it concerend others continents, if it affect populations we can't link with, well it happens.

    However, the Hollocaust, as a extermination process towards mainly the Jews, but aswell towards the Gysies and the Slavic populations, was a precedent and a specific process.
    The industrialisation of the process, the Taylorisation (in term of process), the planification are very specific to it.

    Long years ago, as a soldier, I went to a ceremony in France to commemorate the liberation of a concentration camp in France, the Struthof. It was a "small" camp, built to garentee the obedience of the Alsacians who were deserting in mass, and as well to liquidate the usual enemies of the Reich.
    It was breath taking. To see the reality, to see the walls, the baracks and the gaz chambers and the landscape was a shock.
    I had the same kind when I visited Oradour sur Glane, a village kept how the 2nd SS Division Das Reich left it.
    To touch the reality of evil is something we have to do.

    Remember that the men and women who did it were humans. So it can happened again.
    Remember that the women and men who resisted it were humans. So it can be done again.
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    The first verse of the "Dachaulied," the Dachau song (J. Soyfer & H. Zipper):

    Stacheldraht, mit Tod geladen,
    ist um unsre Welt gespannt.
    Drauf ein Himmel ohne Gnaden
    sendet Frost und Sonnenbrand.
    Fern von uns sind alle Freuden,
    fern die Heimat, fern die Fraun,
    wenn wir stumm zur Arbeit schreiten,
    Tausende im Morgengraun.
    Doch wir haben die Losung von Dachau gelernt
    und wurden stahlhart dabei:
    Sei ein Mann, Kamerad,
    bleib ein Mensch, Kamerad,
    mach ganze Arbeit, pack an, Kamerad,
    denn Arbeit, Arbeit macht frei!

    Barbed wire, loaded with death
    is drawn around our world.
    Above a sky without mercy
    sends frost and sunburn.
    Far from us are all joys,
    far away our home, far away our wives,
    when we march to work in silence
    thousands of us at the break of day.
    But we have learned the motto of Dachau
    and it made us as hard as steel:
    Be a man, mate,
    stay a man, mate,
    do a good job, get to it, mate,
    for work, work makes you free!



    Most Germans were not and are not monsters. Most people are not monsters, make decent neighbors, and worry about their families and getting through the week -- just like you. In each of us lurks, however, the potential for evil. We must not forget this, and we must never rest in seeking to curtail that potential.

    My prayers for all those victims of the Holacaust, for all those who a haunted by it to this day, and for all those who suffer in the continuing eddies washing out from this moment of evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Never again is difficult.
    I would say it's impossible, given how human beings are. Genocide will be with us for a long, long time. Not trying to be a downer, but I don't see any evidence that we have the will, the tools or the guts to stop every round of ethnic cleansing that takes place. Note the world's overwhelming passivity in Darfur. Note the ease with which Rwandans drove out U.N. peacekeepers so that they could reach the full flower of Hutu Power.

    I'm sorry, but "never again" is a slogan, nothing more. I'm glad people think about genocide, and I'm happy so many want to see it ended. But it ain't gonna be in my lifetime, and probably not in my son's.
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    Remember the crime and honour the ones who fight against it.
    Of course, we must think to what degree we should honour those people. There is this case of a Dutch woman in the Dutch resistance who shot a police officer that worked for the Nazi's (actually, he was just a part of the Dutch police corps and continued his duty when the Nazi's took over the country). Is this justified? As far as I know, it was she who attacked the officer, not the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Is this justified?
    yep called treason

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    Happy holocaust day

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    oh damn ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Happy holocaust day
    That is sooo Tribes...
    Who else could say something like that and not have the entire community disgusted with him and flaming him? :P
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    Remember
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    May this travesty never happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    May this travesty never happen again.

    I smiled. Now I feel bad... Thanks Tribes...
    Why? We remeber dead people all the time. We make jokes about the dead all the time. Or more specificly we make jokes about people who use the dead as an agenda to further modern political goals of which the names he is invoking probably could give a hoot about said political goals.

    I'm not trying to cheapean the holocuast by any means but I find it odd we choose to guilt ourselves over this one instance of blood while many more Russians and Chineese civilians were killed some just as brutally. I would also say that the Germans and the Japs deffinitly had the same feelings about the slavs and the Chineese they were deffintly sub-human to.

    I mean you can bring up the "industrialzation" of the killings to but by the end of the war America could wipe cities off the face of the Earth with 1 bomb. Pretty dang industrial.

    I realize this post is a breach of tact and I apologize but I had something on my mind.
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    I'm not trying to cheapean the holocuast by any means but I find it odd we choose to guilt ourselves over this one instance of blood while many more Russians and Chineese civilians were killed some just as brutally. I would also say that the Germans and the Japs deffinitly had the same feelings about the slavs and the Chineese they were deffintly sub-human to.
    Not to mention the treatment of Japanese-American civilians during World War II
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Not to mention the treatment of Japanese-American civilians during World War II
    Now this comparison is cheapening the Holocaust.
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