The Current Status of Monarchism.

[KarlXII]

Can any of our non-US members tell me on how the various monarchist groups are doing in their respective countries? Monarchist movements interest me in their political ideas.

For example, the Austrian Black and Yellow Alliance supports a democratic monarchy, but with a twist. Since a Hapsburg monarch would not fit in well with just Austria, they propose a confederation of the former countries in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, all under a united parliament, but still retain local sovereignty (Think U.S. States) while the Emperor would be their sovereign (Think British monarch in countries like Canada, Australia).

I, for one, find the idea of a democratic monarchy interesting. A monarch lies with no specific party, as oppossed to a president for example, and is supposed to represent his or her country's people. A monarch is a figure that all people of a nation can rally behind.

So, international Orgahs, what has happened with the monarchist movements in your countries?

[Lemur]

The cool thing about constitutional monarchy is that your steel mills, textile mills, mines and steam docks don't give negative contentment penalties anymore. For this reason alone I am prepared to nominate Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes to become our figureheads of state.

[Strike For The South]

The cool thing about constitutional monarchy is that your steel mills, textile mills, mines and steam docks don't give negative contentment penalties anymore. For this reason alone I am prepared to nominate Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes to become our figureheads of state.

Brangelina! Brangelina! Brangelina!

[InsaneApache]

So, international Orgahs, what has happened with the monarchist movements in your countries?

It ended rather suddenly in 1649. The King had a haircut and all was lost.

[Fragony]

I wish there was monarchist movement but they keep sitting

[Tribesman]

Our monarchists over here are somewhat strange .
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...le-320497.html

[CountArach]

I wish our Republican election hadn't been rigged so that I could honestly say I didn't live under a Monarchy now...

[InsaneApache]

I wish our Republican election hadn't been rigged so that I could honestly say I didn't live under a Monarchy now...

I sympathize, I really do. About the only thing that stays my republican hand is the prospect of a President Blair or Brown or god forbid Mandelson. Just look at the characters the French and Americans have had recently as their head of state. It make one's blood run cold, what, what.

[Kagemusha]

We dont have any. Atleast as an official movement. So i guess they are doing fine and dandy as they do not exist.

[InsaneApache]

Just to be serious for a minute, I'll attempt to answer the OP.

I don't know about the other constitutional monarchies in Europe and beyond but there isn't a Monarchy Movement in the UK. The whole point is that it's apolitical. Yes there are people in the UK that adore the queen but it's not organized in any way.

Brenda's a figurehead. Nothing more nothing less. I have more real political power than her. I get to vote. She is effectively told what to do by her ministers. A rubber stamp tis all she is. Things might change when Arthur inherits the Imperial Crown of State as he's got a bit of a big gob.

[Incongruous]

I expect that the reaon the monarchy is still going on in the U.K is because we are all so bloody gloomy, a President would cost more and he might be NU-LAB.

[Louis VI the Fat]

So, international Orgahs, what has happened with the monarchist movements in your countries?

They seem to have lost their heads...

About the only thing that stays my republican hand is the prospect of a President Blair or Brown or god forbid Mandelson. Just look at the characters the French and Americans have had recently as their head of state. It make one's blood run cold, what, what

A French/US presidential model is not the only alternative to a hereditary head of state. What's more, contrary to monarchist scaremongering, this model is so alien to British/Australian customs that it is the least likely replacement for hereditary monarchy.


Giorgio Napolitano and Horst Köhler are the current presidents of Italy and Germany. People have never heard of them because they fulfill only the ceremonial powers of head of state. This model, I think, would best suit the political parliamentary traditions of the UK, Canada, Australia.

One can go one further too: Switzerland has a Conseil fédéral. This council of seven people functions collectively as head of state.

[InsaneApache]

Oh I know that Louis, Ireland also springs to mind. Somehow though I get the feeling that Mssrs. Blair/Brown/Cameron et al would see this as too good an opportunity to let pass.

[rasoforos]

History of Monarchism in Greece.


We created democracy. We do not have kings. Some bloody foreign German-Dutch inbred people tried to convince us otherwise and became our monarchy for a while. We sent them to live in London and good riddance to them. They can now inbreed peacefully and grow their tails as long as they like.

So, international Orgahs, what has happened with the monarchist movements in your countries?

It is mostly a group of old men with Altzheimer's although not all of them really count because some probably think there is still a king...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh I know that Louis, Ireland also springs to mind. Somehow though I get the feeling that Mssrs. Blair/Brown/Cameron et al would see this as too good an opportunity to let pass.

They would too, wouldn't they? Cheeky bastards.

Oh well. Always remember: no matter how insane the UK, one needs only to cross the channel to go one worse. Your PM's dream of presidency. Our presidents dream of being monarchs.

Little Sun Kings, the lot of them. They get away with it too. What's more, they are expected to. With the exception of Sarkozy, French presidents are of a very tall physical stature. Aloof of character. Refined, even affected, in manners. Building Grand Works in Paris to leave a physical mark. (Not that I mind the last, but it is 'doggy syndrome')


Fun fact: De Gaulle, Giscard d'Estaing, Mitterand, Sarkozy are all nobility, or have a major noble element in their family line. That's right, France prefers to elect noblemen to the throne. Uh, I mean, to the presidency.
Pompidou and Chirac are the only elected presidents of the Fifth Republic of overwhelming bourgeois origin.

Ireland also springs to mind

Ireland. I forgot about them. I simply can't keep up with all this devolution in Britain.

[InsaneApache]

Since they've had de facto independence since 1922 I understand how hard it is to keep up.

[Ironside]

Not much a movement here, support dropped to about 62% though.

The main party in power for about 70% of the time (Social democrats) have the abolishment of monarchy in their party program. They never touch that issue.

[Prince Cobra]

Bulgaria:

Titular Tzar: Simeon II Saxe-Coburg Gotha . Born 1937. Ruled between 1943-1946 (he was minor then). Prime Minister (the first ex-monarch to become a Prime-Minister) between 2001-2005. His political party still participates in the ruling coalition (2005-2009) but has lost much of its sympathisers. There are even rumours it will not enter in the next Parliament.

Even between 2001-2005 the idea of restoring the monarchy was not seriously commented. Many Bulgarians were sceptic towards changing of the consitution and restoring the monarchy.

[Sheogorath]

The US had a monarch once.

I, for one, fondly miss Emperor Norton. He was a pretty cool guy.

[Prince Cobra]

The US had a monarch once.

I, for one, fondly miss Emperor Norton. He was a pretty cool guy.

Never heard about it...

[Lemur]

It's true, and he was a good king. As a judge ruled when he was arrested for the crime of lunacy: "Norton has shed no blood, robbed no one, and despoiled no country, which is more than can be said for most fellows in the king line."

[Sarmatian]

Ours decided to run to Britain. Apparently, it was cool to be a monarch there and people here wanted to kill him (who said that communists were all bad?). They've even given him a room in the hotel in London. Now the bastard wants to be a king again and he can't even speak Serbian properly. He's down here trying to speak Serbian with an Oxford accent and everyone's going "what the **** is he saying???" - "Wait, I think I understand some words. Baby Jesus... trees... blood... last emperor of China... Masai warriors... Oh, I give up!"

According to some polls a few years ago, about 5% of the people would want Serbia to be a monarchy again.

[Brenus]

"Sarkozy": Hungarian one. Doesn't count...
"He's down here trying to speak Serbian" Apparently mine is evenbetter than his... Can I apply for the job? I even probably lived longer in Serbia. I was there when it was still Jugoslavija the Federation one...

[Furunculus]

Liz is doing just fine in Britain.

[Che Roriniho]

Liz is doing great, and Norton was a very cool guy.

[HoreTore]

Our king is bound and gagged, and everyone is quite happy that way.

Nobody really wants to abolish him, except on a principal basis, but nobody wants him to ever say anything either. And since he can't legally talk, we're doing fine....

His daughter and her husband, on the other hand....

[edyzmedieval]

Commie bastards forced the Romanian Royal Family away.

My repulsion for communism cannot be even measured. And yes, I am a monarchist.

[seireikhaan]

I think the problem is that too many people don't have a queen like this.

[edyzmedieval]

So true Shinseikhaan.

[Dîn-Heru]

Coincidentally I was at a debate about the future of the monarchy today. Where one of the debaters presented som statistics.

In favour of the monarchy 66%, republicans 22 %. The percentage of republicans is almost the same as the percentage of votes against the monarchy in 1905. The support of the monarchy has risen some after a low-point in the late 90's.

What is interesting is a shift in who supports republicanism. Before republicans were more a rural phenonomen. But now the typical republican is a male, 40-60, with a high income, urban dweller and has a university education. Ie the elite in society.

(The typical, royalist is a female 60+ , low income, little education, and from the countryside.)

That the monarchy has lost some of its fundation can also be illustrated that the newspaper that has traditionally been the strongest supporter of the monarchy, (Aftenposten), has all but abandoned its covarage of the royal family and its program of duties.

The debaters made some "predictions" about the future of the monarchy. The royalist in the panel predicted the end of the monarchy in 2063, when the princess would have accended the throne if her father lives as long or longer than the rest of the family, he predicted that it would end in this year if the princess arrives at the conclusion that a life in a glass cage isn't for her.

And that was basically the conclusion of one of the other debaters, that it would either end because the publics opinin changed enough in favour of a republic (seeing as socity's elite is more republican than other people) or that the children decide that they want to live a normal life.

The current status of the monarchy in Norway is that a majority is in favour of it, but that it is unlikely that we are still a monarchy in 2100.

To HoreTore

His daughter and her husband, on the other hand....

Hehe, one of the debaters were Carl-Erik Grimstad, who argued with Ari in January, and he really dislikes him, he would not even utter his name...

He showed a picture of him and basically painted his as an antichrist who is the complete opposite of what the royal house is supposed to represent (dignity)..