Should BtSH call it quits?

[mini]

seems I havent missed a thing in my absence of late. cheerio!

more time to work on my roman aar!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Not to be pessimistic or anything...but whats going to make this time round different to the last time round?

don't bring your pessimism here! we are going to have fun and we are going to LIKE IT! (this is a good question though, we really need to advertise, new flux of players would be really helpful and get things going, even if only a few stick around)

[navarro951]

don't bring your pessimism here! we are going to have fun and we are going to LIKE IT! (this is a good question though, we really need to advertise, new flux of players would be really helpful and get things going, even if only a few stick around)

ya ive been trying i have PMd a handful of Roman faction fans and i am getting some interest but not much, by the end of this week i hope to at LEAST get like three more maybe. So i can start it up on Friday with sum fresh role play.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

good to see you are thinking ahead of me then. great, some new faces to argue with! on that note lets try and keep things a bit more civil this time around....

[Celtic_Punk]

I think part of the problem was that most of us were in WotB. Its hard to pay attention to this kinda stuff when you've got 2 diff things goin on ya know?

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Wow guys,

I'm so sorry to hear that BTSH is ending. I'm going to have to check out the library to see how far you went. I wish I could have stayed with you all to the bitter end.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

over? we are starting it back up in 4 or so day, we have not yet begun to fight!

[navarro951]

over? we are starting it back up in 4 or so day, we have not yet begun to fight!

haha nice quote, Nicholas right?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

John Paul Jones,

[Celtic_Punk]

well I want to participate but I don't think I'll be able to pay attention to this full force till things die down a bit civilwar wise in WotB...which probably won't be for some time.

[mini]

meanwhile, tune in for my aar ;p


i need views *greedy*

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

it would appear we have a idiotic spammer running around.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I'm not seeing an "OOC" thread any more, so I'm posting here - What happened that caused the once mighty Legio III to suffer a clear defeat at the hands of the Carthaginians?????? I must say that's quite the shocking set back.

[mini]

I think we had to autoresolve it, cuz the legion legates were inactive.

[everyone]

yes, fortunately, manius claudius had managed to save the day with his awesome legion.
huzzah! I am back!

[navarro951]

Okay i hope to have things edited by today, then the save ready for 2morrow and we will start the council late tomorrow or early monday.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

great, lets hope we have more luck this time than last time....

[/Bean\]

Can this second go be like a second chapter? Because I have an idea how to begin this second 'chapter' so that it carries on from the first and gives an excuse for a whole new outlook for our second go.

I was thinking of making Cotta start a brief civil war or attempt to become Dictator, which obviously fails in whatever way we discuss to be fit, and then we begin afresh with new outlooks on Senators to stop any single one from beocming too powerful.

What do you guys think?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I like it, cotta tries to grab power and we all put aside the differences that had separated us to stop you. and then we go right back to bickering, but also keep a firm policy to stop anyone from getting TOO important.

I want an army darn it! need to fight me some battles! I want a campaign to raid through Spain!

[Iskander 3.1]

Sounds good to me! I'll stay active here, my mistake last time was getting involved in too many at once.

[navarro951]

hmmm, okay ive implemented alot of console use but there are so many unused avatars and alot of things to put back together its bothering me. Im thinking this:

1. We Start the game over entirely...

2. We, from the start, use the rank, rule, and career reforms of mini as well as my own.

3. From now on we will use a 2 RBGs at a time, so new guys have to takem or not play. For the most part we dont roll play our traits to the T. Exceptions will be made of course if you get traits that make the character utterly weak, dumb, etc.

4. Ill relay other new stuff if we all agree to start over.

So feed back friends...?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ahh, I am willing to go with whatever everyone else wants, I just was really looking forward to the Polybian reforms. I just don't know If I am willing to trudge through the same old situations again.... (I have played so many roman campaigns the opening phases are just so boring to me) I think we could make it work though, if we could just get some more (active) players.

[everyone]

the idea that each rps 2 rgbs sounds interesting, I thought of something like that, just that we control 'made-up' characters, sort of like the representatives we have now, just that they play a more active role, e.g. being able to run for ToP/consul/etc.
but if we were to start over, I prefer that we start the game sometime historically after the 1st punic war. I don't think it would be very interesting if we start from 272bc again and bicker over whether to go north or south.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I dont know, I personally prefer the feel of controlling one avatar, it just helps me really get attached to the game. I mean I enjoy having my one avatar evolve over time, and yes sometimes the traits get in the way, but most of the time I just roll with the traits and make them work in my Idea of a character, I have to say I am going to miss Sextvs in that respect, just when I was starting to expand upon him his life is cut short.

[mini]

i have the savegame from my AAR we can use...

polybian reforms have just kicked in. Rome has only 5 homeland regions, the rest are all typ4 (allied rulers, so not-controllable avatars)

the limited homeland regions allows for much less governors, which means that the post of governor is much more competitive etc..


I have to check, but i do think it's 1.2

[everyone]

we can't use 1.2 for any pbm that requires rgbs, since its EDCT automatically gives any general you recruit (regardless of whether he's recruited from a type 4 gov or modded in) the "allied general" trait which leads to the client ruler/recuited general traits.
unless we mod out the triggers, but I don't know how.

[/Bean\]

Aww, starting again? And everyone loved Cotta so much! hehe...

I think, in order to make the game have a much more solid foundation, we need to write our own in-game constitution, so we don't argue about the rules all the time and so on. I also think we need to somehow add the roles of the People more, as these were often the deciding factor in many discussions, arguments and the basis for certain people getting into certain posts.

I also think we need, for roleplays sake, get into the idea of the families of Rome, so that we can play our characters liking and disliking other characters according to their ancestory. Plays shouldn't be offended if they a lot of stick about what their non-playable ancestors did in the past and are blamed themselves, because that's what happened.

Thoughts?

[navarro951]

Aww, starting again? And everyone loved Cotta so much! hehe...

I think, in order to make the game have a much more solid foundation, we need to write our own in-game constitution, so we don't argue about the rules all the time and so on. I also think we need to somehow add the roles of the People more, as these were often the deciding factor in many discussions, arguments and the basis for certain people getting into certain posts.

I also think we need, for roleplays sake, get into the idea of the families of Rome, so that we can play our characters liking and disliking other characters according to their ancestory. Plays shouldn't be offended if they a lot of stick about what their non-playable ancestors did in the past and are blamed themselves, because that's what happened.

Thoughts?

A fine point and good idea. I always wanted families to be more incorporated which is why im trying to word correctly a new type of way to create a family that doesnt require a player to necessarily have so much rank and what not.

[/Bean\]

Oh yeah, some more. I think we need to involve the city and the people in in the city more. I think we should follow the Roman ways and players should not be able to become Senators until the age of 30, and predating that age can serve in the military and conduct other business about the city. They can become just as involved in the game out of the Senate as they can within.

Followig on from that point, younger Senators need to (generally) have much less influence, and rely on patrons (another adition) until they can become their own man (usually when their patron dies or falls heavily out of favour).

We should also introduce wealth and property (a budget), to further aid the importance levels of players. It would cost a certain amount of money to run for most offices (and the more money you spend over the minimum amount required the more likely you are to succeed in the office elections).

I'll probs think up some more soon.

[navarro951]

Hmm it all sounds great, but what happens when the player base is to small and we only have say two or three 30 year olds?