The sweet smell

**Vuk** · 04-28-2009, 08:00

of socialism is in the air!

**Megas Methuselah** · 04-28-2009, 08:11

It is a good smell.

**lenin96** · 04-28-2009, 10:55

Yeah, it is a great smell.

**Fragony** · 04-28-2009, 11:07

lenin96, the new hardcore

by the way it stinks

http://vincentderoeck.blogspot.com/2...y-repeats.html

**lenin96** · 04-28-2009, 11:11

Originally Posted by Fragony

lenin96, the new hardcore

Yeah... more people could call me that...

Originally Posted by Fragony

by the way it stinks

**Fragony** · 04-28-2009, 11:16

Originally Posted by lenin96

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**CountArach** · 04-28-2009, 12:00

Give it a rest Vuk... This is a Corporation VOLUNTARILY being Nationalised.

**Fragony** · 04-28-2009, 12:13

Originally Posted by CountArach

Give it a rest Vuk... This is a Corporation VOLUNTARILY being Nationalised.

People saying no to a bag of free money that secures their comfortable future, who would have thought. GM should split up in smaller bite-size healthy segments that can be taken in by other company's, who can compete with the state? Doesn't matter what GM wants they aren't in a position to want anything. What good is it a good thing to put GM on the costly breathing machine as a whole. It's idiocy.

**Vuk** · 04-28-2009, 12:23

Originally Posted by CountArach

Give it a rest Vuk... This is a Corporation VOLUNTARILY being Nationalised.

ummm...so what?

**CountArach** · 04-28-2009, 12:30

Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

ummm...so what?

You seem to be saying (Though it is hard to tell given that you didn't actually make a point at all) that a Corporation voluntarily giving itself to a government is Socialism. This is not the case - Socialism is the seizing of private property by the working class. Yes, many Socialists (including myself) believe this is a good thing, but it should be noted that the fact that 50% of the company remains in private hands indicates it cannot be a Socialist creation.

Originally Posted by Fragony

GM should split up in smaller bite-size healthy segments that can be taken in by other company's, who can compete with the state?

No one can compete with the State and that is usually the point. In this case it isn't a matter of competition - it is a matter of saving the jobs of those who work there. By being subsumed into the government their jobs are less likely to be lost in the near future. The government should make an effort for this to become profitable and then spread this around for the public good.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Doesn't matter what GM wants they aren't in a position to want anything.

Why not?

**Fragony** · 04-28-2009, 12:53

Originally Posted by CountArach

No one can compete with the State and that is usually the point. In this case it isn't a matter of competition - it is a matter of saving the jobs of those who work there. By being subsumed into the government their jobs are less likely to be lost in the near future. The government should make an effort for this to become profitable and then spread this around for the public good.

I disagree with this on the most basic level, artificially keeping this clumsy monster alive is a mistake. In the end the result is that everybody who has a bright idea will be placed out of the market, how can anyone compete with this? Why would anyone want to innovate? It's a killer.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 04-28-2009, 12:58

Haven't General Electric/General Motors been using their lobbying power to feed off of government subsidies for quite a while? And that is why much less of their value is in foreign assets compared to European companies?

You Yanks are commies, come over to Europe if you want to compete in a real free market!