Bug List (Post Patch #3)

**anweRU** · 05-01-2009, 22:09

Originally Posted by Servius1234

Afghanistan Map Bug

That has always been so, from day 1. It is not new to the patch.

**Servius** · 05-01-2009, 22:18

Originally Posted by anweRU

That has always been so, from day 1. It is not new to the patch.

Ah. Due to CTD bugs (fixed by this patch), I've never been able to play long enough to reach that part of the map before. Can't hurt for CA to know it's still there.

Minor Graphical Bugs
- The town of Mohawk in Iriquois Territory has a tree growing up in the middle of the town.
- When Madrid builds city walls, the top ^ shape that represents the walls on the campaign map is built into the mountains to the north of the city.

**Marquis of Roland** · 05-01-2009, 22:22

Light infantry behavior bug still not fixed; they will not face forward, but rather in the last direction you moved them. So far I've been moving them about 2 steps forward after every move as a workaround.

Artillery still bugged; they will always discharge their last loaded round or partially loaded round before ceasing fire once ordered to. So far workaround has been to limber immediately to stop the reload/firing animation, and as a further safety measure switch to roundshot so if a rogue shot does get off, it won't kill a lot of your men.

Can someone playing a new GB campaign check and see if the Gibraltar port still causes you to CTD?

**Servius** · 05-02-2009, 01:38

Disembarking Agents Bug
If you have an agent on a ship that is about to make port, and the port you're heading to already has ships in it, when you dock the ship with the agent on it, the agent tab will not appear. Moving the ship that held the agent out and back into the port will not make the agent appear either. Instead, you have to move all ships in the port out and back in. Only once you've done that will the agent appear.

**xsvfan** · 05-02-2009, 07:05

When I combined two groups of ships (both were pirating on the same trade route before combining, between english channel and denmark) I ended up losing 70,000 in revenue

**Ethelred Unread** · 05-02-2009, 09:21

Annoying new CTD where didn'd exist before! Wail!

Can select all options from screens except "Grand Campaign". When I do I get a CTD "Empire has stopped working"

I can play custom, RTI & MP OK.

No mods installed. I've tried re-installing from game discs, and re d/l from steam no joy. Like an idiot I deleted my campaign game saves and started a new RTI campaign directly after the update.

Updated drivers etc.

DxDIag:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Gaius Baltar** · 05-02-2009, 13:12

Attacked Pirate ship blockading my port at Trinidad and Tabago, animation looked like the "blockading port"..so I was in effect blockading my own port (says it was owned by Pirates). I sent an infantry unit down to clear..the Pirate ship popped out to the left..and was untouchable..couldnt attack it or click on it. Dissappeared when I eliminated Pirate faction.

**Seyavash** · 05-02-2009, 15:02

Playing new long campaign as French

I have been experiencing much longer AI turn moves especially on Sweden. Most of the time this is fine, but periodically I get a CTD during the AI's turn. never had this pre patch.

The naval fleet select CTD bug has resurfaced. I now have a fleet transporting my main american army that I cannot use as everytime I click on the fleet I get a CTD. I thought this was fixed.

**Ethelred Unread** · 05-03-2009, 10:39

Originally Posted by Ethelred Unread

Annoying new CTD where didn'd exist before! Wail!

Can select all options from screens except "Grand Campaign". When I do I get a CTD "Empire has stopped working"

I can play custom, RTI & MP OK.

No mods installed. I've tried re-installing from game discs, and re d/l from steam no joy. Like an idiot I deleted my campaign game saves and started a new RTI campaign directly after the update.

Updated drivers etc.

DxDIag:

Ahaha! Fixed it - read at TWC centre someone had the same and had to go into RTI to change battle time to 60 mins - now works OK.

**Sheogorath** · 05-03-2009, 11:36

Whelp...the game freezes at the launch screen for me, now.

Either that or it's taking half an hour to load.

**Fisherking** · 05-03-2009, 11:48

I don’t know if it has been brought up already but I have not been able to combine fleets if they both have armies aboard.

Not full armies, but just troops. In order to have one fleet with one army you have to land units and reload them onto the ships.

Annoying!! It could also be dangerous if the fleets are attacked and a one ship fleet with troops is sunk.

**Beskar** · 05-03-2009, 15:35

Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Whelp...the game freezes at the launch screen for me, now.

Either that or it's taking half an hour to load.

I had that. Delete your userdata folder (back up saved game files if you want to keep them)

**Sheogorath** · 05-03-2009, 16:40

Originally Posted by Beskar

I had that. Delete your userdata folder (back up saved game files if you want to keep them)

Ah, alright. I'll try that. Thanks for the suggestion

**Karash** · 05-03-2009, 17:51

The British AI seems incapable in defending its home commercial port. It lets france take it, and keep it. Even when I clear the port on a bait interception, Britian refuses to repair or occupy it.

**Karash** · 05-03-2009, 19:23

Also, if you try to board a Indiaman ship and its the last enemy ship in the field, the game will hard lock.

**Elmar Bijlsma** · 05-03-2009, 20:25

Originally Posted by webadr31

Playing new long campaign as French
The naval fleet select CTD bug has resurfaced. I now have a fleet transporting my main american army that I cannot use as everytime I click on the fleet I get a CTD. I thought this was fixed.

Nah, this was a problem in all previous versions. And I can confirm it still is.

Most annoying thing is that it ALWAYS seems to strike a vital battle fleet or a fleet carrying an experienced army. Never has it struck merchantmen en route or some trade raiding frigates. Amazing that a bug so easy to isolate is still in.

**Monsieur Alphonse** · 05-03-2009, 23:27

I don't have the click on fleet bug. I had that twice pre patch. The first was while reloading a couple of units on a fleet and the second while clicking on a newly trained fleet in Gibraltar. Post patch I have trained a fleet (four third rates) in Gibraltar and did not have a CTD. Nor did I have one while sailing along the Caribbean with a fleet with third rates transporting an army. On request from Faction Heir I sailed all around the West Indies with that fleet while clicking on it, but I didn't experience any CTD. I had on some occasions a freeze of several seconds after clicking on a ship. There were several sloops and brigs also transporting agents and armies back to Europa and sailing through the Caribbean. During my try run I split the fleet and and combined the two parts into one fleet again.

Remains the question while a lot of people are having this bug and why a lot of people don't have it.

**Elmar Bijlsma** · 05-04-2009, 00:03

btw,
You can "fix" it by having another ship join the CTD fleet. Select something other then that fleet, and it should reset it. For a while anyway, ETW still need a few seconds to sort itself out every time you select that fleet and will CTD eventually.
I have a sloop tailing my battle fleet now. Aside from having a fix for the CTD issue close by, it's a rather nice enemy fleet magnet, drawing in your main fleet.

**MikeV** · 05-04-2009, 01:50

New CTDs:

RTI now exits to main menu when you satisfy all campaign conditions, even < 1825.
Unloading troops in port
Merging units (via ^M, drag'n'drop seems to work)
Taking a faction's last city

Seems like we've regressed a bit, in this patch. So, I'm not optimistic about future ones.

New odddities:

Selecting a fleet that's transporting an army causes the UI to select the army tab
Attempting to move that fleet provokes "Can't go there" response

"If you are a dee (programmer), please don't marry a dee (game company).
'Cause then your kids (programs) will be ... dee dee dee."

**Mr Frost** · 05-04-2009, 03:50

Fire by rank is still bugged !

I've been testing it this morning in custom battles . The A.I. allways fires correctly with the first rank firing a simultanious volley , then the second and finally the third ; however the player controlled line or guard infantry spreads out and "ripple fires" by small groups of files down the line right to left and doesn't begin firing from the right again untill the idiotic "mexican wave" has finnished touring the length of the unit .

This gives the A.I. a massive superiority in rate of fire {asside from the "free" volleys the A.I. gets whilst the player unit is spreading out and then taking the extra few seconds again before even beginning to fire} , especially in larger sized units {which we're meant to be able to have !} .
Another problem is that when multiple units are in line and any spread out to fire by files it causes large numbers of freindly fire casualities {they shoot the men in units they overlap} which gets increasingly worse with larger unit sizes {modded to say 300 men} .

It might wok properly on small unit settings {the largest fire by rank units being 120 men for example or smaller} , but given that the "ultra" setting gives 160-200 men for line infantry and that furthermore the game is intended to be modded including much larger sized units , this is a bugged feature {and concidering just how much line infantry combat is an integral part of the game , a very bugged feature } !

There is absolutely no reason for fire by file as modeled {with a 4 man deep files firing} .
No sane commander would have used it unless He actually wanted his men to shoot each other in the back of the head ! Even the standard fire by rank system {in which only the first 2 ranks were supposed to fire and the third do the reloading which invariably degenerated into all three firing and doing their own reloading as an engagement progressed} caused as much as 25% of a units casualities in friendly fire ... fire by file as modeled would have done far far worse . It is a useless "feature" that ruins a good and needed feature .

Again , it nerfs the fire by rank feature to the point of virtual worthlessness {in large units , mass fire actually gives a greater volume of fire over any timescale !}

The C/A need to simply delete fire by file {or atleast make it a different fire mode that is toggled by a separate button} so fire by rank can actually work properly .

**Servius** · 05-04-2009, 04:28

Diplomacy Bug
It's ~1780. I'm GB and about to finish off India. I just had Persia, who I've had a trade deal with since my game was 10 turns old, and who is Very Friendly towards me, just declared war on me. They were Very Friendly towards me even in the war declaration screen. I'm posting this as a bug as nothing else explains it. If one nation is in love with your nation, it should never do anything negative towards you (declare war, break trade agreements, etc.). Otherwise, what's the point or value of having relationship status'...

**Slaists** · 05-04-2009, 14:57

Originally Posted by Servius1234

Diplomacy Bug
It's ~1780. I'm GB and about to finish off India. I just had Persia, who I've had a trade deal with since my game was 10 turns old, and who is Very Friendly towards me, just declared war on me. They were Very Friendly towards me even in the war declaration screen. I'm posting this as a bug as nothing else explains it. If one nation is in love with your nation, it should never do anything negative towards you (declare war, break trade agreements, etc.). Otherwise, what's the point or value of having relationship status'...

Well, it could be Hard Love... They were forced to punish you by your actions. I presume, as GB you conquered Muslim lands in India.

**Slaists** · 05-04-2009, 15:00

Originally Posted by Mr Frost

Fire by rank is still bugged !

I've been testing it this morning in custom battles . The A.I. allways fires correctly with the first rank firing a simultanious volley , then the second and finally the third ; however the player controlled line or guard infantry spreads out and "ripple fires" by small groups of files down the line right to left and doesn't begin firing from the right again untill the idiotic "mexican wave" has finnished touring the length of the unit .

.

What you describe sounds like platoon fire that all guard units get, when you research the tech. After that point, guard units stop using fire by rank and switch to 'platoon firing' which is reportedly inefficient in the game.

**anweRU** · 05-04-2009, 15:04

Originally Posted by Slaists

Well, it could be Hard Love... They were forced to punish you by your actions. I presume, as GB you conquered Muslim lands in India.

All he needed to do was to conquer Punjab. It is a trigger region for a DoW by Persia. It always happened in my pre-patch games as well (as GB & Maratha). It is not unique to v1.2.

**Servius** · 05-04-2009, 15:12

Wait, so there's a hard-coded declaration of war, if you take Punjab? Kinda odd, isn't it?

**Slaists** · 05-04-2009, 15:15

Originally Posted by Servius1234

Wait, so there's a hard-coded declaration of war, if you take Punjab? Kinda odd, isn't it?

It seems so. It happened to me too, Persia declared war on me as soon as I took Punjab. Also, Mughals declared war on me as soon as I took the Southern-most province in India from Mysore despite us both having a very loving and 70-year old trading relationship.

**anweRU** · 05-04-2009, 15:30

Originally Posted by Servius1234

Wait, so there's a hard-coded declaration of war, if you take Punjab? Kinda odd, isn't it?

There were a number of such hard-coded DoW regions in the game pre-patch. For e.g.:
Iriquois - New York (and others?)
Huron - Upper Canada, Ruppert's Land
Pueblo Nations - Lower Louisiana and Mexico
Persia - Punjab (and Mesopotamia?)

These regions must be on the victory conditions for those factions.

**aimlesswanderer** · 05-04-2009, 17:08

I played about 20 turns as UP after the latest patch when I got a CTD when I moved a unit of pikes into brussels (owned it already).

Have had a few problems with my trade ships and the trade spots. Sometimes they have the old problem of being on the same spot but as separate fleets and only one produces trade. Now however they can at least be moved off.

Also, a few times a fleet has exited the teleport and was unable to move. I could select it but it refused to move anywhere. Thankfully next turn it was moveable.

Rhineland intercepted me as my army moved towards their city, but in the battle they just stood around hiding in the buildings, when, as the attacker, they should have come after me. A continuation of a previous bug I think.

Also, Rhineland declared war on me with a larger army, and, despite that, just stood around for a turn and didn't even enter my territory - I would have been in serious trouble if they had attacked. They also left half a stack of their army camped in the SE corner of their province (they weren't at war with anyone else), and thus were completely useless when I took advantage of that and took their city. Erm, hello AI?

When I was desperate for money early on I was selling military access for $, and about half the time they accepted without wanting to change anything, but the other times they came back with a proposal for exactly the same amount as I had originally asked for. So it seems to be only partially fixed.

Lots of things were thankfully fixed, but the saga continues. Seeing AI fleets with troops on board is a most welcome sight!

**Karash** · 05-04-2009, 17:46

Played a few games with various nations now past 1720, and they all seem to lose the script...getting super passive, and doing very little on the campaign map. This is both on H/H and VH/VH

**Slaists** · 05-04-2009, 18:43

Originally Posted by Karash

Played a few games with various nations now past 1720, and they all seem to lose the script...getting super passive, and doing very little on the campaign map. This is both on H/H and VH/VH

Yes, the late mid-game, end-game AI is definitely still passive. Probably because all AI factions are bogged down in their own wars to the point of bankruptcy...

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