Evolution v Creationism

[Lemur]

I will never ever tolerate people with a religious mindset who cant back their mindset up with a proof or two.

But faith, by definition, is not provable. If it were provable it would be a fact, not a faith. So you're taking what seems to be a needlessly antagonistic approach to the vast majority of your fellow human beings who have some sort of faith or another.

I have the same attitude toward religion that I have toward drugs: As long as it doesn't mess with your ability to do your job, or function within consensual reality, it's not a problem.

[Kadagar_AV]

But faith, by definition, is not provable. If it were provable it would be a fact, not a faith. So you're taking what seems to be a needlessly antagonistic approach to the vast majority of your fellow human beings who have some sort of faith or another.

I have the same attitude toward religion that I have toward drugs: As long as it doesn't mess with your ability to do your job, or function within consensual reality, it's not a problem.

Agreed.

Don't get me wrong, if you want to sit at home and chant at whatever altar you have, FINE!

However, if you want to get out on the internet (again, INTERNET, not socialnet) you ought to have one argument or two as to why your belief is the "correct" one.

Welcome to the internet!

Here we have buddhists, agnostics, muslims, christians, daoists, budhists, atheists.... must I go on?

So if you really, really, for whatever reason, think "your" religion is the correct one, even if you are a minority in the world (like christians), you ought to back it up with a proof or two.

If you have no "proof" except the proof granted by your own religion, it mights be a wise thing to lean back and listen to others. Not necessarily believe what others say, but at least listen, and learn.

I am swedish, we used to have the Norse mythology.. However, the church came and transferred their religion into ours, so they could tame the vikings, and stop them from plundering England.

In sweden, half of the national holidays are still the original norse-mythological ones. The pape and catholic church has given their blesings.

It is quite interesting that swedes still dance around a HUGE penis stuck into the ground, with the virgins in the inner circle, to celebrate that spring is here.

All this is christian, of course, who could dream of anything else?

Again, I have nothing about religion as such, but if you want to claim YOUR religion is the correct one, you really have to back it up with scientifical arguments, if you want a debate about science.

OR you just say "I know this is so because god told me", if that is the case, what else is there to discuss?

[rory_20_uk]

I personally ascribe to Terry Pratchett's philosophy. Small Gods was probably the seminal work on the subject. Gods are shaped by Men and in turn shape Men.

I liked the Founding of Life thanks to Rincewind's Sandwich in one of the other Books of Pratchett.

Time did not have quite the same meaning, but Rincewind did rise from the dead as well as having a detour for some time around the afterlife.

To be honest I feel as a view point it has as much evidence behind it as any other - barring scientific facts.

[CBR]

From TalkOrigins FAQ: Evolution and Metaphysics

Conclusions of this FAQ
Evolutionary theory is a scientific theory dealing with scientific data (Berry 1988:139), not a system of metaphysical beliefs or a religion. It does, however, set the sorts of general problems biology deals with, and also acts as a philosophical attitude in dealing with complex change.

Now obviously the FAQ is a bit longer than the quoted conclusion and too long to quote here me thinks.


CBR

[Pannonian]

I personally ascribe to Terry Pratchett's philosophy. Small Gods was probably the seminal work on the subject. Gods are shaped by Men and in turn shape Men.

A superb work, better than many "classics" I've read, and Pratchett's contribution to "literature". Both in the details and in its overall span, Small Gods gets it right everywhere.