The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
Before youspouted offmade a subtle and true statement about the Galileo case, you were talking about the difference between faith and (organised) religion. Your point being that disgraceful human behaviour should not be blamed on faith, but rather on the human, and that (organised) religion is the vehicle of human intentions and interests rather than that of God's will.
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The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
Look, my great-grandfather worked at Harland & Wolff before that side of my family moved to Govan, you know there's something up if I'm defending the RCC. In any case, I wasn't so much defending the RCC and pointing out that its flaws weren't due to religion but instead just a typical power-grabbing man-made institution.
Well he could have kept it in the scientific circles but he didn't. Wasn't really his fault since his views were already taking hold in the Church, he got caught up in Christian in-fighting more than anything.
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Last edited by Ser Clegane; 05-21-2009 at 08:16. Reason: quoting deleted troll post
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
I enjoy the idea of Evolution co-existing with Creationism. Creationism can be shown throughout humanity. Your watch, your laptop, your t.v, all examples of creationism. The parts of a watch have their own function in order for the watch to work. And just like our bodies we rely on the function of several body parts. However we as a species evolve because our body has the availability to do that. (Adaptation). If technology can reach far enough we could make watches reproduce.
That what I don't understand why do people always think there is always only one solution.
"I thought CA was unarmed? Unless he got some samurai swords or something... I only got some rocks and some sticks." Shlin in BR realizing he has no weapons what so ever.
To be fair though, technology EVOLVED through the many, many centuries by IMPROVING UPON EXISTING MODELS and allowing obsolete or less functional models to be NATURALLY SELECTED against.
The laptop computer did not appear out of dust one day. It took thousands of years of scientific progress and the evolution of human knowledge.
Even "intelligent design" requires evolution in this, the real world.
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Where have I heard that before...
Ah... the circumcision thread.
I know there's a joke here but I just woke up.
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Last edited by Ser Clegane; 05-21-2009 at 08:14.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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But in today's Science, "Theology" is nothing at all...
Science is merely a method, one confined to Natural Philosophy. Currently the Academy issues (edit: no doctoral degrees) for "Science".
Now, the question is:
How does your natural theology impact on my Theology?
You could ask the reverse question, and it is just as valid.
Natural Philosophy and Theology are not related, except as avenues of human endeavor; Discoveries in one make little or no impact on the other.
If you were ask me "Why was the world created?" that is a very different question to "How". "How" does not answer why, but "How" is all "science" ever does, asks, tests or measures.
Therefore, scientific knowledge has no bearing on the existence of God. Further, if this is so it is possible accept all that has been discovered through the scientific method and still be a "Creationist".
Last edited by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus; 05-21-2009 at 15:53.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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So tell me, why did God create the earth?
I'm not asking how - in six days or seven, by telepathy or with Polish hired labour. I'm asking why? For what reason?
If religion can answer the 'why' questions, this is surely the number one question on which to test it.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
Being all powerful and all knowing doesn't keep you from being bored and lonely.
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Last edited by Adrian II; 05-21-2009 at 01:55.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
I know this much. When I have kids, and they misbehave, I'm putting them in an oven for time out, just like God. And, I'm never letting them out of time out, just like God.
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Last edited by Adrian II; 05-21-2009 at 02:03.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
Roadkill,Because there is evidence of one but not the other... Might that be it?That what I don't understand why do people always think there is always only one solution.
SFTS,Why do you spam this thread? What does 9 million have to do with evolution or creationism?9 million
Wakizashi, same question.
Sasaki Kojiro, I would ask the mods to clear the spam, but as the mods are evidently spaming...? Are you drunk or was that just a REALLY stupid post from you?
Rhyfelwyr and ATPG, save your flirting for PMs.
I've been gone a couple of ours and everyone including a mod have totally derailed the thread. Makes me wonder what level of debate this forum offers.
I'm with Adrian on Einsteinian infinity-theory here
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Reminding a troll that he's trolling again. And for that matter, now that you bring it up, your entire last post technically counts as being off-topic, since you had to stop and tell us all we're off topic.
EDIT: But, I'm a person who doesn't neglect my spirituality, nor the importance of science. I go along with another equally Einsteinian Theory of "Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind."
Last edited by Samurai Waki; 05-21-2009 at 03:24.
Wow - what a mess.
I would appreciate if people would indeed stay on topic as the "evolution" of this thread is not going into a very good direction (and in this case I insist on evolution as "intelligent design" would not necessarily be an appropriate description for some of the stuff I had to go through and remove)
I went through the thread again and noticed several smoking craters where there once were words.
People of the Backroom, I beseech you listen! I say that this is physical evidence of the Wrath of the Almighty! Therefore I recommend we all follow the Commandments from On High:
Read and Weep
Beware and be sure to follow these Commandments for if you do not, you shall be surely smoted with teh penalty stick or worse, suffer in the burning pit of Ban-land! The horror! Should King Arthur gallop towards you on an invisible horse with his trusted servant Patsy following behind banging coconuts together, and offers to have you join him at his court at Spamalot, or to find the Troll-y Grail, please politely decline and say you've already got one! And finally, I wish to share a message from the Cattle Gods themselves:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Now, back on topic:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Ooooh... long and rambly. Better spoiler it and hope no one reads it.
There was no "Adam" and "Eve" as we traditionally think of it... because if that were the case, there was severe, severe inbreeding and we are basically a bunch of birth defects gone horribly right.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 05-21-2009 at 09:31.
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Ah but you miss the later injection into the gene pool , the giants from on high . They came down and had lots of sex with humans because they like the food . But humans being humans liked the sex but didn't like the big fellas taking the food so they killed the giants .Ooooh... long and rambly. Better spoiler it and hope no one reads it.
But then of course the giants hadn't been killed and were evil and ungodly so when the really big fella got annoyed he killed them all too with his really big rainstorm(together with all the humans apart from a really amazingly good boat builder and his little family) which somewhat diminished the gene pool ever so slightly.
But then the gene pool expanded again because lo it is written there were more giants breeding with humans.
So what we really need to settle this debate is for a cretinist to dig up a fossilised giant.
It should be easy , after all they were all killed along with the dinosaurs in the flood so all the fossils should be together , well apart from those who were around after the flood but I think they must have been illegal immigrants so don't really have any standing despite being very tall.
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