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    Roadkill,
    That what I don't understand why do people always think there is always only one solution.
    Because there is evidence of one but not the other... Might that be it?


    SFTS,
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    Why do you spam this thread? What does 9 million have to do with evolution or creationism?


    Wakizashi, same question.


    Sasaki Kojiro, I would ask the mods to clear the spam, but as the mods are evidently spaming...? Are you drunk or was that just a REALLY stupid post from you?


    Rhyfelwyr and ATPG, save your flirting for PMs.






    I've been gone a couple of ours and everyone including a mod have totally derailed the thread. Makes me wonder what level of debate this forum offers.

    I'm with Adrian on Einsteinian infinity-theory here


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Wakizashi, same question.
    Reminding a troll that he's trolling again. And for that matter, now that you bring it up, your entire last post technically counts as being off-topic, since you had to stop and tell us all we're off topic.



    EDIT: But, I'm a person who doesn't neglect my spirituality, nor the importance of science. I go along with another equally Einsteinian Theory of "Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Roadkill,

    Because there is evidence of one but not the other... Might that be it?


    SFTS,

    Why do you spam this thread? What does 9 million have to do with evolution or creationism?


    Wakizashi, same question.


    Sasaki Kojiro, I would ask the mods to clear the spam, but as the mods are evidently spaming...? Are you drunk or was that just a REALLY stupid post from you?


    Rhyfelwyr and ATPG, save your flirting for PMs.






    I've been gone a couple of ours and everyone including a mod have totally derailed the thread. Makes me wonder what level of debate this forum offers.

    I'm with Adrian on Einsteinian infinity-theory here

    you are wrong to expect more from a cre-evo thread.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Wow - what a mess.

    I would appreciate if people would indeed stay on topic as the "evolution" of this thread is not going into a very good direction (and in this case I insist on evolution as "intelligent design" would not necessarily be an appropriate description for some of the stuff I had to go through and remove)

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    I went through the thread again and noticed several smoking craters where there once were words.

    People of the Backroom, I beseech you listen! I say that this is physical evidence of the Wrath of the Almighty! Therefore I recommend we all follow the Commandments from On High:

    Read and Weep

    Beware and be sure to follow these Commandments for if you do not, you shall be surely smoted with teh penalty stick or worse, suffer in the burning pit of Ban-land! The horror! Should King Arthur gallop towards you on an invisible horse with his trusted servant Patsy following behind banging coconuts together, and offers to have you join him at his court at Spamalot, or to find the Troll-y Grail, please politely decline and say you've already got one! And finally, I wish to share a message from the Cattle Gods themselves:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Now, back on topic:

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    If one is to consider the idea of the species coming from two people, and only two people... one wonders where all the brides came from. But even from a scientific standpoint; how does a new species of human being evolve from apes? The answer is, in both cases: They don't; not without magic. So unless we caught us some lucky charms, or some really cute looking babes slid down the rainbow out of the sky, we needed a larger gene pool.

    In nature, as we have observed so far, what doesn't seem to happen is that a male and a female example of a new species just pops out of thin air. What happens is that minor changes, mutations, and adaptations emerge from the random and natural process of passing on one's genes and replicating DNA over and over again a trillion times, and then those minor changes get passed on to the next generation. Sure, sometimes a minor change in genes results in, say, a totally different color pigment in the animal, or a major deformity in a limb, let's say. However, the change itself is not usually enough to cause the animal itself to be unable to pass on its genes to its own species. A butterfly with new, different colors doesn't yet have other examples of itself to reproduce with. So it reproduces with its own species, differently colored than itself, and those new color genes get passed on. And then we have a bunch more of those new colors. And if those creatures survive long enough to pass on their genes... now you have a new branch of the overall family tree.

    If you consider tribes of proto-humans were already commonplace everywhere, then minor changes and adaptations took place to create what we would consider homo sapiens, and at the time, the changes were so minor you probably couldn't tell the difference. Case in point; the process didn't begin or end there. Even after humans evolved, they continued to change and adapt and now we have different color hair and skin and eyes and we live in different parts of the world and are more suited to some parts than others. And yet, we are all human beings still.

    If a virus wiped out the "Caucasian" gene pool, humans would continue to evolve and look nothing like Caucasians, and one day, distant hyper-evolved scientists might observe the changes in humans from now until then and conclude they are so different, they might have been different species altogether. But even with radical changes to the gene pool by parts of the family tree dying off or new adaptations becoming quite popular, you're not really looking at a single "Adam" or a single "Eve" which turned apes into humans. You're looking at many different "Adams" passing on, over the course of millions of years, new and different genes which turned out to be better suited to the environment, like larger brains and less body hair, and more attractive faces. There was no single "Eve" because she had a mother as well, and by that logic, you could call her "Eve". And so on and so on until you get to our great-great-great-(times a hundred billion)-great grandmother, who was a single cell and totally unique, formed from phospholipid bilayers forming naturally around a mass of proteins which were highly reactive and created reactions which allowed self-replication, using the fuel of the natural environment of the planet itself. Not unlike fire spreading or crystal formation, it was a natural chemical reaction... much more highly complicated, but still based upon chemistry and physics.

    In the end, that first cell was "Eve" and there was no "Adam" until the adaptation of having two sexes evolved. I guess Eve got lonely or decided she wanted some help spreading her particular DNA in a world filled with competing DNA.


    Ooooh... long and rambly. Better spoiler it and hope no one reads it.

    There was no "Adam" and "Eve" as we traditionally think of it... because if that were the case, there was severe, severe inbreeding and we are basically a bunch of birth defects gone horribly right.
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    Ooooh... long and rambly. Better spoiler it and hope no one reads it.
    Ah but you miss the later injection into the gene pool , the giants from on high . They came down and had lots of sex with humans because they like the food . But humans being humans liked the sex but didn't like the big fellas taking the food so they killed the giants .
    But then of course the giants hadn't been killed and were evil and ungodly so when the really big fella got annoyed he killed them all too with his really big rainstorm(together with all the humans apart from a really amazingly good boat builder and his little family) which somewhat diminished the gene pool ever so slightly.
    But then the gene pool expanded again because lo it is written there were more giants breeding with humans.
    So what we really need to settle this debate is for a cretinist to dig up a fossilised giant.
    It should be easy , after all they were all killed along with the dinosaurs in the flood so all the fossils should be together , well apart from those who were around after the flood but I think they must have been illegal immigrants so don't really have any standing despite being very tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Ah but you miss the later injection into the gene pool , the giants from on high . They came down and had lots of sex with humans because they like the food . But humans being humans liked the sex but didn't like the big fellas taking the food so they killed the giants .
    But then of course the giants hadn't been killed and were evil and ungodly so when the really big fella got annoyed he killed them all too with his really big rainstorm(together with all the humans apart from a really amazingly good boat builder and his little family) which somewhat diminished the gene pool ever so slightly.
    But then the gene pool expanded again because lo it is written there were more giants breeding with humans.
    So what we really need to settle this debate is for a cretinist to dig up a fossilised giant.
    It should be easy , after all they were all killed along with the dinosaurs in the flood so all the fossils should be together , well apart from those who were around after the flood but I think they must have been illegal immigrants so don't really have any standing despite being very tall.
    I wonder about the two of every animal thing. I assume he also got a bunch of seeds, too, or do the plants on dry land love being submerged by ten thousand feet of saltwater? And what's really cool is that there's not actually that much water on the planet by a longshot so it physically couldn't happen as it says in the Bible to make all the dry land disappear, unless the mountains all crumbled under the sea, and the sheer earthquakes would have killed everyone anyway.

    Also, he was very nice to collect two of every species of beetle, because that must have taken him a LOOOOONG time. And how did he collect two of every species from other continents? Like the Panda?

    How did Noah collect the Pandas? How about the Penguins and the Polar Bears? Yeah. What about the species native to North and South America? Yeah. He was an elderly dude but apparently, like Santa Claus, he can fly around the world faster than light and visit all the animal species in existence and collect them and put them on a rickety wooden boat. Oh, and he must have also got them food, too. And a place to poo. And fresh water for all those species. And how did he keep the lions from hunting the zebras and the frogs from eating the mosquitoes? And how did he stop the unicorns from having sex with the bubblegum faeries?
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    ATPG, the Bible story doesn't go that we are all descended from Adam and Eve directly. Other people come out of nowhere, so the only answer from a Christian point of view is that God created them seperately. Not to mention the Bible is against incest so they would hardly make the human race through incest plus that's disgusting anway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Roadkill,

    Because there is evidence of one but not the other... Might that be it?


    SFTS,

    Why do you spam this thread? What does 9 million have to do with evolution or creationism?


    Wakizashi, same question.


    Sasaki Kojiro, I would ask the mods to clear the spam, but as the mods are evidently spaming...? Are you drunk or was that just a REALLY stupid post from you?


    Rhyfelwyr and ATPG, save your flirting for PMs.






    I've been gone a couple of ours and everyone including a mod have totally derailed the thread. Makes me wonder what level of debate this forum offers.

    I'm with Adrian on Einsteinian infinity-theory here

    Edit: Too much moderation on these boards.

    Oh yeah Adrian/Melendil you know I am talking about the scripture so sorry no irony.
    Last edited by Rhyfelwyr; 05-21-2009 at 14:12.
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