Dealing with anti-Semitism on the internet

[Andres]

*** keeps looking at Hooahguy ***

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[Prodigal]

Just had an epiphany, the reasoning & logic behind the spreading of viruses is clear. Israel & the Muslims are in it together...And I can't rule out strict Buddhists and those pesky veggy chewing vegans either. They all have one thing in common. None of them eat bacon which anyone will admit is damnably tasty, (no pun intended), so by their ommission the pig population has reached a critical mass infecting us with a global plague!

Now that's the kind of thing that'll blow 122k facebook followers out of the water, you can essentially blame a global pandemic on anyone who doesn't like bacon sandwiches.

[Rhyfelwyr]

When you name yourselves after the IDF, you are kind of asking for it...

[Beirut]

hey, dont look at me. i didnt create the name.

I didn't say you were a zealot nutbar - I said the JIDF were zealot nutbars.

[Tribesman]

I said the JIDF were zealot nutbars.

Thats not nice , its not as though they are hackers they just gain accesss to websites , change , delete and add content or make them break , thats not hacking is it .

Just out of curiosity Hooah , does your joining this group of not really zealous fruitcakes coincide with you dropping the middle letter from a certain word when you post ?

[Hooahguy]

Thats not nice , its not as though they are hackers they just gain accesss to websites , change , delete and add content or make them break , thats not hacking is it .

Just out of curiosity Hooah , does your joining this group of not really zealous fruitcakes coincide with you dropping the middle letter from a certain word when you post ?

first of all, we dont hack anything. we just report.

second, what word are you talking about?

[Tribesman]

first of all, we dont hack anything. we just report.

Have you read any of the JIDF interviews in the Israeli media ?

[Hooahguy]

no, please enlighten me.

[Tribesman]

no, please enlighten me.

So you havn't read where they say they deleted 109,873 peoples memberships on a single website?
Perhaps you shouldn't make the "we don't hack" claim without checking first

[Hooahguy]

now i know what you were talking about-
heres the story

thats not a hack.

It was certainly a takeover, but nothing illegal or indeed outside the rules of Facebook had occurred.

On 1 August, only a few days after the takeover, the JIDF lost control of the group. The group’s size had been reduced, with its multimedia and wall gone, but the group’s problematic description reappeared. Even if the JIDF has maintained control of the group, setting up a new group takes only a few clicks. JIDF’s action, however, was effective.

During the few days that the JIDF controlled the group they expelled 59 percent of the group’s membership. Based on the membership increase in the days immediately following JIDF’s loss control, it looked like the group has been set back 12 and 18 months in terms of its membership numbers. A month later Facebook, however, took decisive action. They deleted the group in response to continued press coverage and the emergence of a consensus in Wikipedia that Facebook was indeed publicly hosting an anti–semitic group.

[Tribesman]

No hooah , that is not the story .
wow thats a nice selection of racist hate sites JIDF has on its friends list

[Beirut]

Nothing a like a group of un-elected, third-party, self-righteous, self-indulgent, para-military wannabes protecting us from the evils of the world.

Should I hold their hand while I cross the street?

Will they make me hold their hand while I cross the street?

Lord God, I beseech you, let them be free to protect me from myself.

[rvg]

What a waste of time. Last thing I'd care about doing would be going thru facebook fishing out the crazies. Unless I got paid to do that. On a per-crazy basis. Then I'd be a millionaire. Barring that, this JIDF thing is just as silly as those antisemites.

[Hooahguy]

whatever.

[tibilicus]

To be honest I think your a bit caught up on anything Jewish/Israeli related. If you really can't handle people making anti-Jewish comments then the simple truth is you need to learn to. Yes, it's a shame that low life's exist, but non the less they're not going away. Quite frankly if you don't just find anti-semetic PM's offensive (going on your other thread), which is understandable, but also find anything remotely anti-Israeli/Jewish offensive, you may well have a problem.

I mean I understand your proud of your heritage and everything but there's pride, and then there is out right fanaticism. At the minute you seem to be leaning towards the latter..

Your a good guy and and you contribute a great deal to these forums but with out being offensive you can be a bit over zealous when it comes to this sort of thing mate..

[Hooahguy]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

[rvg]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

then it shouldn't surprise you that many do not share your worldview. Something that you might consider noble would be seen as unsavory by someone else. If you expect the kudos posts, post this on a religious jewish forums, and I'm sure that you'll get plenty of positive feedback.
Nobody is obligated to like, support or even recognize the Jewish state, and the efforts of JIDF aren't gonna amount to much. They will not change anyone's mind. They will not prevent the anti-Israeli group in question from respawning under different names ad infinitum. If anything, JIDF is giving those people more motivation. So, yes, I really think your labor is at best in vain and at worst counterproductive.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah it sucks having an unpopular worldview. If people are going to flame you for it, just accept it and move on. Trying to censor people really won't work, and it won't help improve their opinion of you either.

[LittleGrizzly]

I have a friend who is quite a big fan of conspiracy video's on youtube, quite a few of them regularly tell people thier last video with this 'important information' was taken down by the evil youtube owners who don't want the truth to get out there...

In other words what im saying is by actions like this you will only reinforce some kin of jewish conspiracy in some peoples minds... not that that matters to much with the wacko's... they are probably to far gone anyway but some more moderate members of the group may start to wonder...

Its always annoying when my friend mentions the conspiracy video was taken down... its essentially usually a point in his favour when we discuss conspiracy theories...

[rasoforos]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

You have the zeal of youth. That is not bad and it is natural at your age

This is combined with the fact that by being a young adult you are reaching your mental and physical potential which is great.

However your zeal seems to be channelled towards only one thing and I am sorry to say being a web-vigilante is a waste of your skills and it does not really promote (as you can see) understanding against anti-semitism

Let me remind you that at 18 you have reached the peak of your sexual prowess and that being single mindedly obsessed with girls would be a great or at least better idea for the next year or two.



P.S If this (me), (relatively in relation to you) old fart (27) could teach you a lesson that he never really learnt properly himself it would be that being 'anti' something never really helped fight it. Promoting the good cause and being the nice guy we all like and that will do wonders against racism .

Everytime you have patiently and unofensively supported your opinion , despite many of us being against you and (us) not being so nice about it, you made me respect you more and more.



P.S 2 : Eric Cartmant on Anyhows Jews cannot be Jedis /Eric Cartman Off <--- Sorry sorry sorry I just had to say that. Shame on me

[Pannonian]

i think it has something to do with the fact that, to my knowledge, im the only religious jew in the backroom, so im pretty fierce about it.

There's a Jewish chap at TWC who's well-known for being ultra-orthodox in how he practices Judaism. He's very liberal in his outlook towards anything that isn't himself.

[Beirut]

Eric Cartmant; Anyhows Jews cannot be Jedis

A young David slew a nine-foot Philistine warrior with a slingshot.

That's some midichlorian action, methinks.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I've never heard of the 'zeal of youth' before, as is testified to by the age range (or indeed lack of it) in my church, it might as well be a pensioners' club. I heard most folks turn religious when they get to their 30's, or whenever they settle down.

But to be on topic, hooah you really won't do yourself or your viewpoints any favour by aiding such an organisation. The fact it chose to name itself after the IDF shows it was trying to be a bit provocative. I know this guy from another site who's convinced Jesuits did everything from causing the Second World War to sinking the Titanic. Every time a video goes down it just shows how much influence the Jesuits are getting...

[Hooahguy]

There's a Jewish chap at TWC who's well-known for being ultra-orthodox in how he practices Judaism. He's very liberal in his outlook towards anything that isn't himself.

well thats him. am i that ultra-orthodox chap at the TWC? no, im not.
im not even ultra-orthodox. plus, ultra-orthodox are typically liberal. ever heard of Neturei Carta?
the more conserrvative ones are the modern orthodox, which is what i am.

[Hooahguy]

However your zeal seems to be channelled towards only one thing and I am sorry to say being a web-vigilante is a waste of your skills and it does not really promote (as you can see) understanding against anti-semitism

well, only my zeal on these forums. you can tell because the only debates i really get into in the backroom is israel and gun control.

Let me remind you that at 18 you have reached the peak of your sexual prowess and that being single mindedly obsessed with girls would be a great or at least better idea for the next year or two.

if you would see me in RL, you would say that girls are all i can think of....

Everytime you have patiently and unofensively supported your opinion , despite many of us being against you and (us) not being so nice about it, you made me respect you more and more. [/B]

why thank you!

i have a teacher who is good at debating. he always tells me, "whoever gets angry first always loses."

these past two days have been very trying for me in terms of these forums. there were times i just wanted to blow up at the member who made those disgusting remarks to me the other day, and it wasnt helped by a heated debate between me and KarlXII about signatures.

P.S 2 : Eric Cartmant on Anyhows Jews cannot be Jedis /Eric Cartman Off <--- Sorry sorry sorry I just had to say that. Shame on me

[Pannonian]

well thats him. am i that ultra-orthodox chap at the TWC? no, im not.
im not even ultra-orthodox. plus, ultra-orthodox are typically liberal. ever heard of Neturei Carta?
the more conserrvative ones are the modern orthodox, which is what i am.

It just shows that being religious doesn't necessarily mean wanting to impose one's views on others. Religion is like any other private view, fine in private, and one is free to impose it however one likes on oneself. Once one goes outside oneself and tries to affect others, it oversteps the mark into zealotry. One can say whatever one likes, and one's company and nature is plain from that, but if one tries to turn that into action, one crosses the line.

[Hax]

What's this self-righteous nonsense anyways? People from all different kinds of ethnicities, beliefs and backgrounds will have to cope with discrimination in one form or another. I mean, just go to 4chan and look how often the word is used. Of course black people could be offended, but what I find more disgusting than discrimination is using that discrimination in your own advantage. Hell, look at the situation of Arabs and Muslims nowadays.

im the only religious jew in the backroom

..and?

However your zeal seems to be channelled towards only one thing and I am sorry to say being a web-vigilante is a waste of your skills and it does not really promote (as you can see) understanding against anti-semitism

Exactly. I think this thing is far more likely to get more anti-semitism going than to counter it. "Oh, there you have those Jews again who mess up our forums. We should gas them."

plus people who are advocating the killing all jews, muslims or whatever deserve no free speech, IMO.

Innate rights. That's how it begins. You first say "you're not allowed to say that all Jews must be killed". Then it goes to "You are not allowed to say that Jews are evil". Subsequently: "You are not allowed to say that some Jews have commited bad deeds". And soon enough, it might just resembled a police state.

[Hooahguy]

It just shows that being religious doesn't necessarily mean wanting to impose one's views on others. Religion is like any other private view, fine in private, and one is free to impose it however one likes on oneself. Once one goes outside oneself and tries to affect others, it oversteps the mark into zealotry. One can say whatever one likes, and one's company and nature is plain from that, but if one tries to turn that into action, one crosses the line.

so you are saying that anyone who tries to go out and make a difference is a zealot?

[Hax]

so you are saying that anyone who tries to go out and make a difference is a zealot?

At the expense of others, yes.

[Hooahguy]

the people who fought for civil rights in the 60's also did it at the expense of others.