What confirmed faction should not be in EBII?

[Moros]

exactly. this is a historic mod, so no, they probably won't give any real territory, aside from what is already in EB I.

a neighboring tribe, like that in himyar** or qataban**, or even a Omani faction (tribe of azd*) would be a better idea, as it has been my observation that having multiple factions close to one another increases activity (look at gaul, AS, ptolies, etc).


*I don't know for sure if they were unified at the time, though I know the lakhmids and ghassanids came from there, and they were very quarrelsome. perhaps its just distance in time and place?

**strabo did IIRC mention both, especially qataban (Cattabania), so they would ave existed in the EB time frame. but whether they were of any importance politically in the EB timeframe is a mystery. I know Himyar was the top dog from c.100AD on to 525AD, but not about beore hand.

Qatabân was about the same strength as Saba by our gamestart. While the Sabaeans might have a bigger population, the Qatabân king had better control over trade resources. He was also the one carrying the title mukkarib, which inclined that the carrier was the most influential king of the region. However in an all war situation it could go either way as the difference wasn't that big, though Qatabân usually tended to be the winner untill the uprise of the Himyar. When it was largely Saba and Himyar who were contending each other. Then we still have the Ma'in and Hadramawt who were working together in a way, sort of alliance perhaps, who alone were weaker thn the Qatabân and Sabaeans but together were in league. However the Ma'in and hadramawt only tried to rival economically anf tradewise and were not under such a centralised poltical structure as the Sabaeans and Qatabân or so it seems.

[machinor]

This poll is a bit like a broken pencil.





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Pointless.

[Tellos Athenaios]

This poll is a bit like a broken pencil.





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Pointless.

Ah well, at least now is not "choppy choppy time".

[satalexton]

Don't forget Prince Ludwig, the master of disguises!

[machinor]

Ah, I see there are fellow aficionados.

[the man with no name]

This poll is a bit like a broken pencil.





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Pointless.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Parkev]

I don't know about you guys but I've never heard of most of these factions, and I've watched a lot of history channel, so they can't be that important. I think we can safely clump everyone, apart from the almighty world inheriting Romans, as Greeks and Barbarians, which frees up about...15 new factions which we can use to represent the leading Roman families. Of course we'll need a few new cities in Italy to house all these families, so we'll just give the map a bit of a hair cut, say north south line through the Caspian Sea, nothing important happened over there anyway.

While we're at it we might use the last faction spot (you weren't paying attention were you?) for an emergent faction, the legendary tribes of Bartix, just to keep things interesting before what promises to be a fairly hectic Roman civil war.

[Cute Wolf]

Parkev
Re: What confirmed faction should not be in EBII?
I don't know about you guys but I've never heard of most of these factions, and I've watched a lot of history channel, so they can't be that important. I think we can safely clump everyone, apart from the almighty world inheriting Romans, as Greeks and Barbarians, which frees up about...15 new factions which we can use to represent the leading Roman families. Of course we'll need a few new cities in Italy to house all these families, so we'll just give the map a bit of a hair cut, say north south line through the Caspian Sea, nothing important happened over there anyway.

While we're at it we might use the last faction spot (you weren't paying attention were you?) for an emergent faction, the legendary tribes of Bartix, just to keep things interesting before what promises to be a fairly hectic Roman civil war.

If this gonna be true, the slots are better used to represent Athenai, Sparte, Rhodos, and much Diadochian family too... btw, in this period... Romans are just a bunch of arrogant people who lived in Italia... Fortuna seems to prefer them anyway...

[Zett]

If this gonna be true, the slots are better used to represent Athenai, Sparte, Rhodos, and much Diadochian family too... btw, in this period... Romans are just a bunch of arrogant people who lived in Italia... Fortuna seems to prefer them anyway...

Agree. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

[ziegenpeter]

Have you ever thought about that in EBII wich is based on MTWII the corner-factions like saba and casse will probably act much better?
well think about it.
btfw, who needs rome? ;)

[/Bean\]

I don't know about you guys but I've never heard of most of these factions, and I've watched a lot of history channel, so they can't be that important. I think we can safely clump everyone, apart from the almighty world inheriting Romans, as Greeks and Barbarians, which frees up about...15 new factions which we can use to represent the leading Roman families. Of course we'll need a few new cities in Italy to house all these families, so we'll just give the map a bit of a hair cut, say north south line through the Caspian Sea, nothing important happened over there anyway.

While we're at it we might use the last faction spot (you weren't paying attention were you?) for an emergent faction, the legendary tribes of Bartix, just to keep things interesting before what promises to be a fairly hectic Roman civil war.

I think this guy gets a xiphos in the face straight after Alsatia...you're knowledge of the ancient world is entirely based on 'a lot of history channel'? Why are you here? Go away!

And stop quoting Bartix. You weren't there man! You don't know what it was like...!

[bobbin]

I think he was being just the tiniest bit ironic, unless you are too.....owww my head.

[/Bean\]

Psst...I carefully worded my response so that it would work whether he was joking or being serious...yay

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Makedonia, for they got conquered by the Romani.

[Alsatia]

Isn't it a bit stupid to argue with a member of the EB team.

Has that meant that we have made some conclusions that cannot be fully deducted from the evidence we have? Yes, such is history. Have we done so more than we have for other factions? Yes. Has that been necessary? Yes. Can we not just shift that faction slot to another area where less inferences need to be made? Possibly, but then I would also suggest that we remove Hayasdan as well. The archaelogical record (at the moment) is almost non-existent for our time-period, and as for written sources, they are contradictory, unsatisfactory and annoyingly limited.

Did you suggest that you will kick Hayasdan? Or was that an Example?



The EB Team, to my understanding, has been hit repeatedly with threats and complaints. I believe that if we let the team alone, give a few friendly suggestions, they will get thew job done faster, we can then enjoy EBII (hopefully) before 2012.

Mind you, sayng that Macedonia is rubbish (not that I am) will get a few interesting replies......

[Bucefalo]

I think they could merge all the unwashed barbarians into one faction, all the greeks into the "greek cities" and divide the roman in 3 useless factions. Then Bactria should be renamed to Bartix, and given some Yutseb elephants and Amazon chariots.

Just kidding

[Atraphoenix]

this thread is pointless, we have both place for all the current factions and for the new ones as well.
faction fanaticism really annoys me

[Alsatia]

And so it does. This is an opinion thread. Like "If you had a choice" kind of thing.

[Celtic_Punk]

hahaha rome got 18 votes. Great

[AttilaDerHunn]

hey what if i suggested a black dominated faction (Ethiopia maybe?i think they were farther down Africa)

[Mediolanicus]

hey what if i suggested a black dominated faction (Ethiopia maybe?i think they were farther down Africa)

If you can find a way to add another culture slot, that would indeed be great! But, alas...

[AttilaDerHunn]

If you can find a way to add another culture slot, that would indeed be great! But, alas...

Hopefully.........(I think Mr. boom-boom will get angry at CA if they didnt add another culture slot to R2:TW and he WILL bring his friend Mr.C4)

[artaxerxes]

why do people argue against the EB team? I mean it's a mod, even if there were any flaws (I can't see them), I mean ITS A MOD

As for the quiz: obviously the Seleukids and the Ptolemies should be deleted and their provinces just given to Sweboz. That could easily simulate the same development of the world as the current array of factions does.

[Ibrahim]

Qatabân was about the same strength as Saba by our gamestart. While the Sabaeans might have a bigger population, the Qatabân king had better control over trade resources. He was also the one carrying the title mukkarib, which inclined that the carrier was the most influential king of the region. However in an all war situation it could go either way as the difference wasn't that big, though Qatabân usually tended to be the winner untill the uprise of the Himyar. When it was largely Saba and Himyar who were contending each other. Then we still have the Ma'in and Hadramawt who were working together in a way, sort of alliance perhaps, who alone were weaker thn the Qatabân and Sabaeans but together were in league. However the Ma'in and hadramawt only tried to rival economically anf tradewise and were not under such a centralised poltical structure as the Sabaeans and Qatabân or so it seems.

I see.

If so, then it makes sense to have an extra faction there-for similar reasons to the gauls current format. Qataban or Himyar clearly are two excellent choices, based on this

[snude]

No more of those arabian desert factions, please...

There's no evidence that they ever expanded further than their core lands, of course they had a lot of trade going but all the TW engines arent really good at simulating trade empires

[Ibrahim]

No more of those arabian desert factions, please...

There's no evidence that they ever expanded further than their core lands, of course they had a lot of trade going but all the TW engines arent really good at simulating trade empires

actually, they did try to expand their influnce accross the peninsula*, but that didn't turn out too well. problem was authority; the various tribes and even other south arabians owed none to saba', and all wanted to have the leader's status, and so just ended up cancelling each other out through intertribal and interkingdom warfare. to have more than on Arabian faction allows the option to simulate this (add fun), and to see what would happen if one of the cities won on the other...

besides, I want factional violence between two arabian factions-its kinda boring watching Arabia just become sabaean in EB1




*this went on till 525 AD, when the south Arabians were first conquered by the Ethiopeians, then finally the persians. the area remained persian till ~628AD

[bobbin]

Qataban or Himyar clearly are two excellent choices, based on this

Maybe not Himyar as they seem to have only appeared on the scene around 110bc, would quite like to see Qataban in the game though.

[Moros]

I see.

If so, then it makes sense to have an extra faction there-for similar reasons to the gauls current format. Qataban or Himyar clearly are two excellent choices, based on this

The himyar appear at the utmost end of the 2nd Cenutry BC.

[Ibrahim]

The himyar appear at the utmost end of the 2nd Cenutry BC.

yeah, my bad

[Cute Wolf]

Just hope that Casse will act as true Britons... In my M2TW games, England usually pwnd French