Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
Fine. Discussion is over. What's the definition of words, since I don't know them?

Fill in the blanks, and then I'll use those definitions and we can have a debate. I'd prefer to skip the "negotiation" aspect of the debate and just debate. Define your terms and I'll use those definitions. My definitions will be the same as yours or I won't debate. Simple. Why is this so hard? Especially since I don't know what I'm talking about. You can just dictate the terms of the discussion since you know what the words mean more than I do. I bow to your superior handling of subjective definitions.

Now, define your terms and let's proceed with the debate. If you don't, I'll use a dictionary and proceed from there without you.
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I never said that my definitions were superior to yours or that I knew better than you. My entire point is that we all have our own ideas about it and think that we are right, but they are different. As such a discussion would be impossible without defining the terms before hand. What you just said is 'you pick the terms, BUT if they are not my terms, I do not debate'. ei, you just said your terms or nothing. That is the attitude I am talking about. Why not let historical and political debate shape the terms we use to something realistic that we can both agree on?