Questions about the economy

[Drewski]

Phah he is slow compared to me! I disagree with Drewski, when I conquer the world I swim in cash...

Also I never disband when I have too much units, I just conquer more!

Don't let them convince you that you went too fast... I think you have a nice republic there!

Well if You want to flat out non-stop blitz, and go on a despotic conquest, where you sack every town you capture, then I suppose that works too. And why not once in a while?

But you'll end up at war with everyone, have tiny cities, and then your only course is to go and sack more and more cities....fine if you like to play that way..

[/Bean\]

Everyone blitzes the first few campaigns. Then they usually even out. I've been playing EB for getting on 3 years now, and I have come to loath blitzing. But everyones entitled to their own opinion, and I won't yell at people who do blitz. I hate the AI for it too. If you leave the AI alone, then theres only about half the factions left by 200 BC. If you look at where everyone was at this point, you'll understand what I mean.

[seienchin]

Frankly spoken, you have way too many units guarding your cities. They cost a lot of cash. Rather disband 2 units and put the taxes down.

[Fluvius Camillus]

We all have our own opinions how to play best. And to play best is to play how you like it.

I just wouldn't know what to do if you in a turn while roleplaying, beating back fullstack after fullstack with rarely any terrain gain seems not so much fun to me...

Drewski, by disagreeing with you I was not talking about Blitz in general, but about the fact that blitzing leaves your economy weak.

[Zett]

Drewski, by disagreeing with you I was not talking about Blitz in general, but about the fact that blitzing leaves your economy weak.

In general: Blitzkrieg makes your economy weak, you are going "all in" after all. If you make a small mistake, this will pay back with interest. You are relying on speed and victories. (see German economy while WW2)

In game: As long as you are victorious their is no real problem, but if you lose one of your main armies, you have to set up another one, which is not easy if you only rely on sacking (but still possible). But sure, if your empire has reached a certain size, you can compensate such loses easier. Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

[Easterner]

Up against the wall.

Have read thread and thank players for pointers. ROME: I'm way over garrisoned (came to this on my own but comments here useful for focus), yet occasional landings let those mega-bodies respond to and defeat the landing with ease and no need for central govt relief. except 1x on Sardinia. Rome is massively open to seaborne attack as has no inland cities.

However my problem is "the other guys" if not hard pressed I'd have slowly expanded (220BC owned Italy, Sicily, Corsica, Sardinia and Baleric Is: no Blitz)Everytime I expanded I noted my money improved, sitting around building garrisons and it grew worse. However the Spanish arrived with 2 full armies and 5 small ones. This morphed over 10 years to a dozen full armies and 20 some little ones. I cut them to pieces and am still getting over run. forced to cheat money and after spending easily a million bucks am still in same position with a few extra troops (109,000 in maintenance) yet Sp owns Port, Sp, Fr and Alps. Aedui gone to 1 Hungarian city, other Gaul seems wiped out. No matter how many defeats Sp returns over and over hitting me now from 5 directions. Where does it get this limitless manpower from?

Epirotes also on rampage but no sign of limitless armies, though they have alot. They went elsewhere and ignore Rome after 2 small wars.

Playing through BI as R:TW unstable with CTD. AI makes peace then re-attacks on same or next turn which is annoying.

Tried as Epirotes once but Taras started as -5000 bucks a turn. I evacuated city, got armies killed and still was negative and couldn't get enemies to take the black hole city off my hands for free!

So anymore Economic 101 comments or tips on unstopable factions?

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

@Easterner: What difficulty levels are you playing on?

[Ludens]

Have read thread and thank players for pointers. ROME: I'm way over garrisoned (came to this on my own but comments here useful for focus), yet occasional landings let those mega-bodies respond to and defeat the landing with ease and no need for central govt relief. except 1x on Sardinia. Rome is massively open to seaborne attack as has no inland cities.

I'd say you do need a central quick-response force (or two) so you can dispense with those oversized garrisons. In EB garrisons often do not make up for the increased taxes you can levy, so you should use the minimum (and cheapest) possible garrison. Use spies to anticipate enemy troop movements and fleets to block your lanes so your quick-response force is already moving towards the invaders before they have even landed (but be aware of the enormous upkeep on ships).

The problem is that the A.I. of R:TW is dumb. Do not expect reasonable diplomacy: it hates the player and will often ignore everything in order to get you. It also recruits way too many units, so it gets cash bonuses and population discounts to prevent it from crippling itself. Don't get into a war of attrition with the A.I., as it can easily win that. Go back on the offensive and take out their economical and recruitment centers. You may want to consider a naval invasion in Iberia (modern Spain and Portugal) itself. Pay special attention to provinces with mines: these are the most easy source of income in EB.

Welcome to the .Org, and to EB.

[/Bean\]

Ok, who invited the parrot that can't read?