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**Beskar** · 05-17-2009, 18:39

That is how you have to play it. You need to communicate a lot by private message as is said in the beginning. I never revealed one because as I said in the initial message, I don't care about what faction you are, I was only interested in the Caesarian/Pomp lynching. You responded to my offer asking what my alignment was, I replied saying I only served Rome and her Senate saying that the faction doesn't matter (because of condition one), then you responded saying it wasn't good enough.

Pevergreen did the same thing as well.

Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.

**TheFlax** · 05-17-2009, 20:33

Originally Posted by Beskar

Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.

Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.

I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.

Originally Posted by navarro's reason for asking Beskar's faction

Well you approached me in complete randomness, and with no backing. I wanted to at least know who you were from so that i would not end up an easy target if you have friends er sumthing in this game.

Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me.

**navarro951** · 05-17-2009, 20:36

Originally Posted by TheFlax

Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.

I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.

Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me.

perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.

**TheFlax** · 05-17-2009, 21:03

Originally Posted by navarro951

perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.

Why would you prefer a faction over the other unless you are pursuing a faction based victory? Who exactly don't you trust?

**Chaotix** · 05-17-2009, 21:07

navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.

Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen

No more "

&giggles" votes from me.

EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.

**Splitpersonality** · 05-17-2009, 21:15

It could be that his orders are ambiguous, I'm sure there are seanators who don't have to stay with their original faction.

I'm sure with time and maybe some money an allegiance can change...

With that in mind, the argument against pever seems about right.

Vote: pevergreen

**Khazaar** · 05-17-2009, 21:22

Vote: Abstain

We need some way to organzie ourselves without the faction identity...

**navarro951** · 05-17-2009, 21:25

Originally Posted by Chaotix

navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.

Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen

No more "shits&giggles" votes from me.

EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.

OMG there is light at the end of the tunnel, you explained my point better than i did, see gents? At least one person knows when to put those little red flags up and do some investigation. I felt targeted what can I say?

**Csargo** · 05-17-2009, 21:35

I show everyone someone who is guilty and they vote the opposite. Nice.

**Beskar** · 05-17-2009, 21:56

Originally Posted by Ichigo

I show everyone someone who is guilty and they vote the opposite. Nice.

Yeah, get used to it. I am starting to notice it is a regular thing here. I remember a game where I pointed out some one was a ninja, and because they didn't listen, that Ninja ended up winning the game.

Something to do with Samurai.

Also, I know about a point splitpersonality made and I have to say, I know exactly what you are talking about.

**TheFlax** · 05-17-2009, 21:33

Originally Posted by Chaotix

EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.

I understand what you are saying, and navarro was right to be suspicious. Yet, knowing someone's faction is completely useless unless you are going for a faction based victory. Beskar revealing himself as Populares or Optimates would not have made him less suspect, especially since he could have lied easily. At the moment it looks to me as a misstep from navarro's part, but I am still somewhat weary of his intentions.