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[johnhughthom]

I thought everybody was afraid of what they might reveal.

[atheotes]

Forgive me, friend. For my manners.

After hearing you, I leaned towards No proscription until we can gather more evidence on their guilt.

However rumours says that both Caesarian extreminists and Pomepeiian extremist are killing. And it may become extremely hard to decide who is truly guilty and who is not.

So I suggest voting for anyone who seems slightly suspecious despite the low odds of getting it right.
As Cicero is not speaking up, we have to take initiative our selves. So fellow senators. Please do not feel dishonored if you were chosen. Until your innocence is proven, I offer you my vila in Pompey along with my slaves to guard you

you say the extremists are killing...and we have low odds of getting the scum.... and still you say we should lynch someone..to me it seems like there is no case against anyone rightnow... so there is a great chance that we might actually help the scum by lynching people (potentially one investigation lesser and one less for the scum to kill).... In this game i think we have a better chance to win if more senators are alive... i understand we can still win after death... but more alive senators = more power to us
Vote: No lynch

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought everybody was afraid of what they might reveal.

You think townies are afraid of being revealed as innocent? No, it's mafia that are afraid of being revealed as guilty.

I know you know why I FoS'd you, so why are you so reluctant to say it? Don't sidestep again...

[Chaotix]

Sasaki looks reasonably safe as it is now, so Unvote, and Vote:Abstain. First round lynches have little use in the first place.

Just watch, give it a few rounds and I'll be calling for Sasaki's head.

[johnhughthom]

You think townies are afraid of being revealed as innocent?

Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?

[Chaotix]

You think townies are afraid of being revealed as innocent? No, it's mafia that are afraid of being revealed as guilty.

I know you know why I FoS'd you, so why are you so reluctant to say it? Don't sidestep again...

Maybe he doesn't. Not saying john is stupid or anything, but I do believe it's his first mafia game (correct me if I'm wrong). Mafia theory is in general full of WIFOM, and is pretty confusing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?

This is dishonest. First of all, at this stage no one is worried about how we are going to win. Just looking for mafia, you can't tell which faction the person you suspect belongs to. Second, nowhere in the post I fos'd you for do you say anything about factions--and how would you accidentally reveal which faction you are in? I can't even remember mine. So once again, same question as before.

[johnhughthom]

Maybe he doesn't. Not saying john is stupid or anything, but I do believe it's his first mafia game (correct me if I'm wrong). Mafia theory is in general full of WIFOM, and is pretty confusing.

It's actually my second. I dropped out of Capo II due to being completely overwhelmed and not having a clue what was happening. And I have no idea why I am under suspicion.

[Caius]

Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?

It doesn't really matters. Even if you belonged to Optimates or the other, does it matter? It doesn't.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Maybe he doesn't. Not saying john is stupid or anything, but I do believe it's his first mafia game (correct me if I'm wrong). Mafia theory is in general full of WIFOM, and is pretty confusing.

FoS:Chaotix

Now, I know you know that I know you know why I FoS'd you...

[johnhughthom]

FoS Sasaki

I know you know that I don't know why you know that I know what you know.

[Csargo]

No FoS for Caius? That's pretty rude Sasaki.

[Chaotix]

FoS:Chaotix

Now, I know you know that I know you know why I FoS'd you...

Yes, I'm well aware, or at least I can think of a few reasons. Would you care for me to share them, or shall we remain silent but content in understanding each other?



In fact, I knew that you knew that I knew that you were going to FoS me for that statement.

[Csargo]

Unvote:, Vote:Chaotix

[Chaotix]

FoS: Ichigo

Now, I know that you...

sigh... joke is dead now.

[Csargo]

Chaotix you should probably vote Sasaki. It's in your best interest to do so.

[Chaotix]

Chaotix you should probably vote Sasaki. It's in your best interest to do so.

Why do you think that? And why should I take advice from the person who's voting for me? I haven't yet decided who to vote for, and I may not vote at all.

I don't want to see Sasaki dead so early. If I get a bad feeling about him later in the game, I won't hesitate to vote for him. The first round is not a place to joke lynch a valuable player.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: tiberisu
Vote: Johnhuthomsomthingorother

[Csargo]

Why do you think that? And why should I take advice from the person who's voting for me? I haven't yet decided who to vote for, and I may not vote at all.

I don't want to see Sasaki dead so early. If I get a bad feeling about him later in the game, I won't hesitate to vote for him. The first round is not a place to joke lynch a valuable player.

Because he's guilty. Because I would unvote you if you did.

Why not? Who said I was joking? I am being serious, very serious.

[Beefy187]

you say the extremists are killing...and we have low odds of getting the scum.... and still you say we should lynch someone..to me it seems like there is no case against anyone rightnow... so there is a great chance that we might actually help the scum by lynching people (potentially one investigation lesser and one less for the scum to kill).... In this game i think we have a better chance to win if more senators are alive... i understand we can still win after death... but more alive senators = more power to us
Vote: No lynch

I'm surprised I made it in the senate

I suppose our wealth did a little treat..

I meant something along the lines of, "We don't have to lynch now, but lets start lynching soon" as there aren't going to be any comfirmed innocents in this game.

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Sasaki

HoS: Johnandwhateverelseisthere

Chaotix gets the ToS

[Andres]

Ah, but don't we have two groups of townies in this game?

You only need to worry about that if you're up to no good.

In fact, I think it would be better if we all kept the information about the faction we belong to completely top secret.

That information is only relevant for those who want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory instead of just a generic townie victory.

Fishing for faction information is highly suspicious.

Anyone pm'ing you to try to find out to which faction you belong should be watched very closely.

If we want town to win this game, then we should all resist the temptation of backstabbing, betrayal and lying. Stick to the townie team and mafia won't have a chance to win this.

[ULC]

You only need to worry about that if you're up to no good.

In fact, I think it would be better if we all kept the information about the faction we belong to completely top secret.

That information is only relevant for those who want to go for a Populares/Optimates only victory instead of just a generic townie victory.

Fishing for faction information is highly suspicious.

Anyone pm'ing you to try to find out to which faction you belong should be watched very closely.

If we want town to win this game, then we should all resist the temptation of backstabbing, betrayal and lying. Stick to the townie team and mafia won't have a chance to win this.

I suspect in usual fashion, a veteran is content to say one thing but go for another, in the belief that others will view it as him going for his glass of wine, believing he is infact telling the truth about his opinion, even if it is easier to simply work with the mafia to gain victory.

It is in my opinion, and most likely only my opinion, the town should endeavor to become informed, and make strides to be less of a mob. If the town has information the mafia does not and is able to coordinate to some degree, then the mafia stand less of a chance.

Another thing is to remove and lynch those who prefer to let the world burn - these will be the traitors to any townie cause, since they are more interested in the aspects of chaos then of necessarily winning.

[LittleGrizzly]

There is no need for townies to seek any kind of faction information, the only reason to seek out faction information is to participate in a mafia victory.....

Thinking on it i suppose (but its hell of a long shot) if we knew some players identity and we knew the mafia knew those players identity, we could perhaps have a better chance of protecting the right person... thats too much of a long shot to be worth it though... so all faction information helps mafia only...

Unovte
Vote No Proscription/No lynch

Sasaki is up there for joke votes, have no reason i want to lynch chaotix, and the new guy doesn't strike me as paticularly suspicious i think we should continue to question him though...

YLC's last paragraph i agree with... Another thing is to remove and lynch those who prefer to let the world burn - these will be the traitors to any townie cause, since they are more interested in the aspects of chaos then of necessarily winning.

In the absence of a decent case against mafia im happy to remove an unhelpful townie... especially seen as in this game an unhelpful townie can be working towards a mafia victory...

[TinCow]

Tally as of Post 264

No Proscription: 6 (TheFlax, navarro951 (failed to unvote), Jolt, johnhughthom, atheotes, LittleGrizzly)
Cronos Impera: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Captain Blackadder, Iskander 3.1)

johnhughthom: 2 (Shinseikhaan, pevergreen)
Chaotix: 2 (Cultured Drizzt fan, Ichigo)

Ichigo: 1 (Andres)
Glenn: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 1 (Beskar)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax: 1 (woad&fangs)
Cultured Drizzt fan: 1 (Beefy187)

Abstain: 3 (Khazaar, Caius, Chaotix)

[Beskar]

Look like Cronos Impera is getting the lynch then.

[everyone]

gah! being universal doesn't allow me to be omnipresent, I'll have to observe more.
vote: abstain

[Beskar]

gah! being universal doesn't allow me to be omnipresent, I'll have to observe more.
vote: abstain

What a name... sorry, I just have to do this. Just because you have that name and it is only funny the first time.

Unvote: Generalhankerchief
Vote to Lynch: everyone

[Ignoramus]

Nothing to go on for me, yet.

Vote: Abstain

[Chaotix]

Look like Cronos Impera is getting the lynch then.

No, actually it looks like there will be No Lynch.