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[Beskar]

That is how you have to play it. You need to communicate a lot by private message as is said in the beginning. I never revealed one because as I said in the initial message, I don't care about what faction you are, I was only interested in the Caesarian/Pomp lynching. You responded to my offer asking what my alignment was, I replied saying I only served Rome and her Senate saying that the faction doesn't matter (because of condition one), then you responded saying it wasn't good enough.

Pevergreen did the same thing as well.

Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.

[Csargo]

Im not saying the bandwagon is on me, im saying everyone is voting for shits and giggles. No one is presenting any case to their vote. At least Beskar has his suspicions cuz he got killed. He approached all those people, and because i wanted to know what factions he was (actually hoping to befriend him) i am the bad guy.

Also, his response to me asking his allegiance was..."My allegiance is simply this, I am a friend of Rome and the Senate. You have nothing to fear from me as I will for the betterment of the people."

Now how am i supposed to take that and simply believe it? If i could of killed him wouldnt it of been that round? We hadnt spoke at all after that.

Well, if you were doing the same you probably could, but since you aren't I guess it would be hard. No, since he would point you out, but you still decided to kill him too early it seems.

Who were you PMing?

[navarro951]

That is how you have to play it. You need to communicate a lot by private message as is said in the beginning. I never revealed one because as I said in the initial message, I don't care about what faction you are, I was only interested in the Caesarian/Pomp lynching. You responded to my offer asking what my alignment was, I replied saying I only served Rome and her Senate saying that the faction doesn't matter (because of condition one), then you responded saying it wasn't good enough.

Pevergreen did the same thing as well.

Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.

Woah! Liar! I never messaged you back, after that message I felt completely suspicious and left it at that. Dont make off with this one. I never said "you arent good enough" so dont even start with the lies friend.

Well, if you were doing the same you probably could, but since you aren't I guess it would be hard. No, since he would point you out, but you still decided to kill him too early it seems.

Who were you PMing?

First of all, i did not kill him. And no i couldnt, just because his message seemed all friendly and harmless i am supposed to just put my guard down. Dont think so.

[Beskar]

Woah! Liar! I never messaged you back, after that message I felt completely suspicious and left it at that. Dont make off with this one. I never said "you arent good enough" so dont even start with the lies friend.

Not a lie, it would have been a mistake. If it wasn't you, it was Pevergreen that replied with that.

[Csargo]

First of all, i did not kill him. And no i couldnt, just because his message seemed all friendly and harmless i am supposed to just put my guard down. Dont think so.

Are you sure? Only someone concerned with eliminating the other faction would be concerned with what faction people are in. Only someone who already has abilities wouldn't want to be apart of a group, which would give them some abilities.

[navarro951]

Not a lie, it would have been a mistake. If it wasn't you, it was Pevergreen that replied with that.

Well pever may off, but our las message was the one of you telling me who you were, i ended it at that as to make no more confrontations between us.

[TheFlax]

Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.

Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.

I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.

Well you approached me in complete randomness, and with no backing. I wanted to at least know who you were from so that i would not end up an easy target if you have friends er sumthing in this game.

Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me.

[navarro951]

Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.

I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.



Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me.

perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.

[TheFlax]

perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.

Why would you prefer a faction over the other unless you are pursuing a faction based victory? Who exactly don't you trust?

[Chaotix]

navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.

Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen

No more "&giggles" votes from me.

EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.

[Splitpersonality]

It could be that his orders are ambiguous, I'm sure there are seanators who don't have to stay with their original faction.

I'm sure with time and maybe some money an allegiance can change...

With that in mind, the argument against pever seems about right.

Vote: pevergreen

[Khazaar]

Vote: Abstain

We need some way to organzie ourselves without the faction identity...

[navarro951]

navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.

Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen

No more "shits&giggles" votes from me.

EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.

OMG there is light at the end of the tunnel, you explained my point better than i did, see gents? At least one person knows when to put those little red flags up and do some investigation. I felt targeted what can I say?

[TheFlax]

EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.

I understand what you are saying, and navarro was right to be suspicious. Yet, knowing someone's faction is completely useless unless you are going for a faction based victory. Beskar revealing himself as Populares or Optimates would not have made him less suspect, especially since he could have lied easily. At the moment it looks to me as a misstep from navarro's part, but I am still somewhat weary of his intentions.

[Csargo]

I show everyone someone who is guilty and they vote the opposite. Nice.

[Beskar]

I show everyone someone who is guilty and they vote the opposite. Nice.

Yeah, get used to it. I am starting to notice it is a regular thing here. I remember a game where I pointed out some one was a ninja, and because they didn't listen, that Ninja ended up winning the game.

Something to do with Samurai.

Also, I know about a point splitpersonality made and I have to say, I know exactly what you are talking about.

[Caius]

Something to do with Samurai.

SotM you mean?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not much time to peruse things.

Vote: navarro

Because apparently Ichi got a guilty result on him. If this isn't the case, let me know.

[Jolt]

Correct tally (methinks)

pevergreen: 5 (Sasaki, Andres, W&f, Chaotix, Splitpersonality)
navarro: 3 (Ichigo, Khaan, GH)
Ichigo: 1 (navarro)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)

Abstain: 6 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC, TheFlax, khazaar)
No Proscription: 1 (Caius)

[Chaotix]

Not much time to peruse things.

Vote: navarro

Because apparently Ichi got a guilty result on him. If this isn't the case, let me know.

I thought guilty results were only for the Praetors/Consuls. Is Ichigo a Praetor/Consul? Is YLC a Praetor/Consul? It would certainly be nice to know these things....

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Pevergreen

His reaction to this just seems scummy to me.

[Beefy187]

Vote: Navaro

Seeing as pever havn't survived through early game for a while.

[TinCow]

Voting concluded.

[TinCow]

“Nothing is so unbelievable that oratory cannot make it acceptable.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

The Senate was greatly animated by the events at hand. The complacency and readiness to forgive that was the hallmark of the previous day had long since vanished; the terror of the moment pushed the leaders of the Republic to action. The debate quickly centered upon two individuals who were accused of suspicious activities and potential involvement in the death of Beskar the previous night. Both pevergreen and navarro951 were accused of being excessively partisan, too concerned with the political orientation of the other Senators, and not sufficiently concerned with the welfare of the Republic itself.

navarro951 attempted to explain his actions and to refute the charges brought against him. After some vigorous debate, a large number of Senators appeared satisfied with his explanations. The majority then began to focus their accusations on pevergreen alone. His response was silence, and this was unacceptable. The votes thus swung towards pevergreen, and as the session neared its end, the Republic’s first proscription since the time of Lucius Cornelius Sulla seemed certain.

As the light grew dim, an older man in a fine, white toga rose and began to speak. He discussed the evidence against the two accused, weighing the pros and cons of the cases against them. His rhetorical style was flawless, and soon the Curia was engrossed in his speech. The older man turned now to spL1tp3r50naL1ty, who, like the others, was paying keen attention to the orator. He began scolding spL1tp3r50naL1ty for his vote on pevergreen, and laid forth a case against navarro951 that made spL1tp3r50naL1ty’s vote seem not only foolish, but personally embarrassing. The older man lectured spL1tp3r50naL1ty on how navarro951 was the only reasonable person to vote for, and that to do any less would be moronic. Finally, spL1tp3r50naL1ty threw up his hands in exasperation and changed his vote to navarro951.

As soon as the older man sat down, another man rose in his place. This one was middle-aged, and his toga was plain and worn, almost to the point of appearing soiled; yet the man’s perfect posture and haughty gaze were more reminiscent of the highest orders of aristocracy. He lectured the Senate at length on the evils of corruption and the necessity of doing the proper thing at all times, regardless of the cost. The focus of his inquisition quickly became Andres, who he began hammering with numerous stoic quotations on duty and tradition. Andres attempted to refute the middle aged man’s statements, but he might as well have been arguing with the wall of the Curia itself. The man was stubborn beyond belief and he would neither budge from his position, nor lay off his verbal assault. Eventually it became too much for Andres, and he conceded victory to his opponent, and changed his voted to navarro951.

With the final debates finally over, the tally was taken and navarro951 was found to be the man chosen for proscription. As the results were read, navarro951’s face whitened in horror and he began looking around wildly at his fellow Populares for help. None moved to aid him, and in panic he fled out of the Curia and into the streets of Rome. He did not get far. The proscription had been announced from the Rostra at the same time as inside the Curia, and the ever-present forum mob eagerly set upon navarro951. All knew that whoever killed a proscripted man would receive part of that man’s estate, and thus all competed to be the first to slay him. As the victorious members of the mob paraded navarro951’s bloody body through the streets, the Senate adjourned for the evening.

navarro951: 6 (Ichigo, Shinseikhaan, GeneralHankerchief, Beefy187, Andres, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
pevergreen: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, woad&fangs, Chaotix, Captain Blackadder)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (pevergreen)
No Proscription: 1 (Caius)

Abstain: 9 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC, Cultured Drizzt fan, johnhughthom, navarro951, TheFlax, Khazaar)

Not Voting: 12 (*Greyblades, everyone, Tiberius of the Drake, *Don Corleone, *Glenn, *A Very Super Market, Iskander 3.1, atheotes, *Tratorix, *Lord Winter, Ignoramus, *Cronos Impera)

* = Have failed to vote twice in a row.

Alive (32):
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Andres
Greyblades
LittleGrizzly
Sasaki Kojiro
everyone
johnhughthom
AggonyDuck
'khaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Chaotix
Khazaar
Ichigo
Jolt
Tiberius of the Drake
Cultured Drizzt fan
Don Corleone
Glenn
A Very Super Market
Iskander 3.1
Captain Blackadder
pevergreen
atheotes
Tratorix
YLC
woad&fangs
Lord Winter
Ignoramus
TheFlax
Cronos Impera
Caius

Killed (4):
White_eyes:D
mini
Beskar
Yaropolk

Proscripted (1):
navarro951

WoG/Suicide (0):

It is now Night III. The deadline for Night III orders is Monday, May 18th at 8:00pm EST.

Note: I am very disappointed in the participation rate. All those who miss a third vote will certainly be WoGed unless they have otherwise been participating in the discussions. If you know of anyone not currently listed as a replacement who might be interested in taking over for one of the soon-to-be-evicted players, please let me know. I would far prefer to replace people than kill them outright.

[Splitpersonality]

Weird to see my name in the writeup, the red markings gave me a bit of a scare, I thought something happened to me :P

[Beefy187]

Weird to see my name in the writeup, the red markings gave me a bit of a scare, I thought something happened to me :P

You and Andres got vote shifted. Either by the mafia groups... or could be your ability.

Either way, instead of pevergreen Navarro died.

[TheFlax]

You and Andres got vote shifted. Either by the mafia groups... or could be your ability.

Either way, instead of pevergreen Navarro died.

What is interesting is that both of them had voted pevergreen and both of them got their vote shifted to navarro. Coincidence?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

strange, so why would someone change the vote? Pevergreen's looking really suspicious now. but then again, perhaps the mafia just want us to think that. this has to be some ploy to keep pevergreen alive, but then why? now we are all far to suspicious of him to let him continue living. honestly I dont know.

[Splitpersonality]

Whoa, I just read up and I did get vote shifted.

Not my ability, whoa that's weird.

[Beskar]

Maybe they did it to protect Pevergreen.