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    “Nothing is so unbelievable that oratory cannot make it acceptable.”
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    The Senate was greatly animated by the events at hand. The complacency and readiness to forgive that was the hallmark of the previous day had long since vanished; the terror of the moment pushed the leaders of the Republic to action. The debate quickly centered upon two individuals who were accused of suspicious activities and potential involvement in the death of Beskar the previous night. Both pevergreen and navarro951 were accused of being excessively partisan, too concerned with the political orientation of the other Senators, and not sufficiently concerned with the welfare of the Republic itself.

    navarro951 attempted to explain his actions and to refute the charges brought against him. After some vigorous debate, a large number of Senators appeared satisfied with his explanations. The majority then began to focus their accusations on pevergreen alone. His response was silence, and this was unacceptable. The votes thus swung towards pevergreen, and as the session neared its end, the Republic’s first proscription since the time of Lucius Cornelius Sulla seemed certain.

    As the light grew dim, an older man in a fine, white toga rose and began to speak. He discussed the evidence against the two accused, weighing the pros and cons of the cases against them. His rhetorical style was flawless, and soon the Curia was engrossed in his speech. The older man turned now to spL1tp3r50naL1ty, who, like the others, was paying keen attention to the orator. He began scolding spL1tp3r50naL1ty for his vote on pevergreen, and laid forth a case against navarro951 that made spL1tp3r50naL1ty’s vote seem not only foolish, but personally embarrassing. The older man lectured spL1tp3r50naL1ty on how navarro951 was the only reasonable person to vote for, and that to do any less would be moronic. Finally, spL1tp3r50naL1ty threw up his hands in exasperation and changed his vote to navarro951.

    As soon as the older man sat down, another man rose in his place. This one was middle-aged, and his toga was plain and worn, almost to the point of appearing soiled; yet the man’s perfect posture and haughty gaze were more reminiscent of the highest orders of aristocracy. He lectured the Senate at length on the evils of corruption and the necessity of doing the proper thing at all times, regardless of the cost. The focus of his inquisition quickly became Andres, who he began hammering with numerous stoic quotations on duty and tradition. Andres attempted to refute the middle aged man’s statements, but he might as well have been arguing with the wall of the Curia itself. The man was stubborn beyond belief and he would neither budge from his position, nor lay off his verbal assault. Eventually it became too much for Andres, and he conceded victory to his opponent, and changed his voted to navarro951.

    With the final debates finally over, the tally was taken and navarro951 was found to be the man chosen for proscription. As the results were read, navarro951’s face whitened in horror and he began looking around wildly at his fellow Populares for help. None moved to aid him, and in panic he fled out of the Curia and into the streets of Rome. He did not get far. The proscription had been announced from the Rostra at the same time as inside the Curia, and the ever-present forum mob eagerly set upon navarro951. All knew that whoever killed a proscripted man would receive part of that man’s estate, and thus all competed to be the first to slay him. As the victorious members of the mob paraded navarro951’s bloody body through the streets, the Senate adjourned for the evening.


    navarro951: 6 (Ichigo, Shinseikhaan, GeneralHankerchief, Beefy187, Andres, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
    pevergreen: 4 (Sasaki Kojiro, woad&fangs, Chaotix, Captain Blackadder)
    Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (pevergreen)
    No Proscription: 1 (Caius)

    Abstain: 9 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC, Cultured Drizzt fan, johnhughthom, navarro951, TheFlax, Khazaar)

    Not Voting: 12 (*Greyblades, everyone, Tiberius of the Drake, *Don Corleone, *Glenn, *A Very Super Market, Iskander 3.1, atheotes, *Tratorix, *Lord Winter, Ignoramus, *Cronos Impera)

    * = Have failed to vote twice in a row.

    Alive (32):
    Beefy187
    GeneralHankerchief
    Andres
    Greyblades
    LittleGrizzly
    Sasaki Kojiro
    everyone
    johnhughthom
    AggonyDuck
    'khaan
    spL1tp3r50naL1ty
    Chaotix
    Khazaar
    Ichigo
    Jolt
    Tiberius of the Drake
    Cultured Drizzt fan
    Don Corleone
    Glenn
    A Very Super Market
    Iskander 3.1
    Captain Blackadder
    pevergreen
    atheotes
    Tratorix
    YLC
    woad&fangs
    Lord Winter
    Ignoramus
    TheFlax
    Cronos Impera
    Caius

    Killed (4):
    White_eyes:D
    mini
    Beskar
    Yaropolk

    Proscripted (1):
    navarro951

    WoG/Suicide (0):

    It is now Night III. The deadline for Night III orders is Monday, May 18th at 8:00pm EST.

    Note: I am very disappointed in the participation rate. All those who miss a third vote will certainly be WoGed unless they have otherwise been participating in the discussions. If you know of anyone not currently listed as a replacement who might be interested in taking over for one of the soon-to-be-evicted players, please let me know. I would far prefer to replace people than kill them outright.


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    Weird to see my name in the writeup, the red markings gave me a bit of a scare, I thought something happened to me :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty View Post
    Weird to see my name in the writeup, the red markings gave me a bit of a scare, I thought something happened to me :P
    You and Andres got vote shifted. Either by the mafia groups... or could be your ability.

    Either way, instead of pevergreen Navarro died.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy187 View Post
    You and Andres got vote shifted. Either by the mafia groups... or could be your ability.

    Either way, instead of pevergreen Navarro died.
    What is interesting is that both of them had voted pevergreen and both of them got their vote shifted to navarro. Coincidence?
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    Whoa, I just read up and I did get vote shifted.

    Not my ability, whoa that's weird.
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    Rest in peace TosaInu

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    strange, so why would someone change the vote? Pevergreen's looking really suspicious now. but then again, perhaps the mafia just want us to think that. this has to be some ploy to keep pevergreen alive, but then why? now we are all far to suspicious of him to let him continue living. honestly I dont know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan View Post
    strange, so why would someone change the vote? Pevergreen's looking really suspicious now. but then again, perhaps the mafia just want us to think that. this has to be some ploy to keep pevergreen alive, but then why? now we are all far to suspicious of him to let him continue living. honestly I dont know.
    Most probably to screw with our heads. Anyway, a lot of people had already voted for pevergreen, so unless a better target presents itself, I'm pretty sure he'll be voted in the next day.

    Things to remember:

    To the best of our knowledge, we need at least a 5 vote lead to guarantee a lynch.

    Thus, we need more active players; the less people vote, the more powerful are the vote shifters. (Assuming they are two.)

    Edit: Good point GH, I hadn't noticed that. Then again, we so many inactive players, perhaps one of the vote shifters was inactive. (Still assuming they are two here.)
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    Default Re: Day II

    Maybe they did it to protect Pevergreen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Maybe they did it to protect Pevergreen.
    There is equal chance of pevergreen being framed.

    Either way, pevergreen will have to go soon.


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    What's interesting is that we've gone from one vote shift to two. We'll have to see if there's three tomorrow - if there is, we're in big trouble.
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    We don't know that the vote shifting is done by mafia.

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    My thoughts exactly. Somebody, or two somebodies, it seems, have abilities that allow them to change another player's vote, and both used them to protect pevergreen. In my opinion, this makes pevergreen look more scummy than he did before- if he was a vanilla townie, no one would strive to protect unless they were sure navarro was guilty- which, as we see, does not appear to be true.

    Pevergreen should probably be lynched again tomorrow, and we need a majority of more than two next time.

    EDIT: Bah, I was in referral to Beskar's post on the last page.

    Although, I suppose if these players are mafia and have the ability regardless of what they do, they may use it just to screw with people's heads on days where there is no danger anyway.
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    but they must have realized that? I mean its such a obvious ploy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix View Post
    My thoughts exactly. Somebody, or two somebodies, it seems, have abilities that allow them to change another player's vote, and both used them to protect pevergreen. In my opinion, this makes pevergreen look more scummy than he did before- if he was a vanilla townie, no one would strive to protect unless they were sure navarro was guilty- which, as we see, does not appear to be true.

    Pevergreen should probably be lynched again tomorrow, and we need a majority of more than two next time.

    EDIT: Bah, I was in referral to Beskar's post on the last page.

    Although, I suppose if these players are mafia and have the ability regardless of what they do, they may use it just to screw with people's heads on days where there is no danger anyway.
    Most likely two somebodies.

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    whoa. I was away for the weekend. Whats all this about vote shifting?
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    We dont know, that's the problem. It could be the mafia trying to mess with us, or they may be trying to save Pevergreen. or maybe its a townie..... all we know is that Pevergreens alive because two votes got switched between him and navarro.
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    Whats all this about vote shifting?
    Looks like that some people have the ability to shift votes to change the result of the votation at the end. We must be careful with votations. We do not know if one side or the other have two "shiftvoters" (to give 'em a name), or one have one and the other side has the other. Just we need more time to figure it out, but one thing is clear as water: we must get the mafia in time. Its a must.




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