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**AggonyDuck** · 05-19-2009, 10:54

Originally Posted by Andres

The fact that we investigated together last night says nothing about your innocence or guilt.

Also, in your first pm you presented yourself to me, saying you knew that both GH and I are innocent. As has been said before, investigations by ordinary Senators don't reveal guilt nor innocence. Why did you say you knew I was innocent? Why the need to say that? And you also wanted to "form a network of innocent Senators", insinuating that our investigations would reveal guilt or innocence. Investigations only reveal faction. Why are you so interested in discovering which faction people belong to?

Because I believed that there were four factions, not two. How do you think I should had known that my investigations were worthless, especially in light of the fact that my first investigation (the Clientela) did reveal activity as well?

I also believe that the mafia need little help in investigations as it is likely, based on the messages from the Tyrants, that they have considerable investigative powers.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 05-19-2009, 11:34

Wait a minute. Before everyone cries for Ducky's head, I'd like to know if anybody else is the "Rich Senator" role he is claiming. If this is the case, then please do so.

**Andres** · 05-19-2009, 11:35

Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I also believe that the mafia need little help in investigations as it is likely, based on the messages from the Tyrants, that they have considerable investigative powers.

The Tyrant Caesar named you as a Pompeian...

**AggonyDuck** · 05-19-2009, 11:41

Originally Posted by Andres

The Tyrant Caesar named you as a Pompeian...

And he is lying his guts off. I'm an Optimate, but first and foremost a true Roman, who would rather die than to see his fair Republic be ruined by these greedy ambitious men. Well it seems I will atleast be granted that wish.

**AggonyDuck** · 05-19-2009, 11:39

Also lets assume that legates are the ones doing the killing. How can I be a legate when I have been investigating with someone else on two nights, successfully? If you have any doubts about my allegiance, I'm willing to ensure that I am tied up in a senator group each night doing something, preferably protecting, thus stopping me from pursuing any other activities.

Anyway I'm disappointed by the fact that you're so willingly following the suggestions of Caesar. He has been posting investigated Optimates three times now. The first was Don Corleone, followed by me, Jolt and the Flax. Strangely enough this time he decided to accuse me of being a lackey of Pompey. Why did he not say that immediately, but actually waited a night to make these accusations? I think it could be that their investigations are imperfect and very similar to my first investigation, that revealed both faction and if activity occurred, not necessarily what the activity was.

I had hoped to save Rome from both Tyrants, but it seems inevitable that we will plunge into a civil war like the Tyrants wish as I have thoroughly misunderstood the workings of this senate.

TinCow: Why are the senators abilities geared towards fighting a sanguine civil war and not to save Rome from rape and murder?

**TinCow** · 05-19-2009, 13:08

Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

TinCow: Why are the senators abilities geared towards fighting a sanguine civil war and not to save Rome from rape and murder?

"Such is the nature of crowds: either they are humble and servile or arrogant and dominating. They are incapable of making moderate use of freedom, which is the middle course, or of keeping it."
- Titus Livius

**Cultured Drizzt fan** · 05-19-2009, 13:09

so true, of course this does make our job unreasonably hard.

**TinCow** · 05-19-2009, 13:11

Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

so true, of course this does make our job unreasonably hard.

"I attempt an arduous task; but there is no worth in that which is not a difficult achievement."
- Publius Ovidius Naso

**Cultured Drizzt fan** · 05-19-2009, 13:12

I should have seen that coming....

**Ignoramus** · 05-19-2009, 13:30

I think we're barking up the wrong tree with AgonyDuck.

First of all, it is extremely easy for Caesar to claim AgonyDuck is Caecilius Metellus Scipio. The real Scipio would not be stupid enough to contradict the letter, but rather stay undercover and relatively quiet. AgonyDuck may be Scipio, but I doubt it. It's just too convenient for Caesar's faction.

Secondly, he is the only person who has revealed publicly. That is an extremely risky move. As the role he claims is not a major role, it is quite possible for the real Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinthe to object and prove AgonyDuck is lying. The reveal looks genuine, and I know it's not easy to fake roles based on historical characters.

I'm growing more suspicious of Andres. I sent him a PM informing him who I was and offering to help him, and since I've sent it he has found the time to post against AgonyDuck, but I have not received even a brief note back from him. Why would he do that, seeing I can switch sides?
For the moment,

Vote Abstain

**Andres** · 05-19-2009, 13:34

Igno, first things first. Will reply to you later.

Btw, as I told Beskar, I don't trust anyone who sponteanously tells me his faction in private. And you telling me that you can switch sides, is particularly interesting Igno. Looking for an ally to go for victory condition (2)?