Rubicon [Concluded]

[AggonyDuck]

A point though is that due to the lingering votes, we need to have a clear majority somewhere to ensure that our lynch remains the same, despite vote manipulations.

[LittleGrizzly]

umm in going to repost my post from earlier because i severly messed up the order of it...

In fairness to TotD he has actually made a few posts... he may be a slight lurker but he's picked up since TC's list, though this could be paranoid play i think he is far better not to lynch than some others like....

Atheotes who hasn't even made a single post since appearing on TC's list (potential wog bait end of the day after today)

Everyone who made one post since appearing on TC's list which basically said he didn't have a clue and voted abstain...

But my personal favourite, Cronos, he appeared on TC's wong list with a *, meaning he was in danger of the wog, out of all those in danger of the wog only he and greyblades have appeared, greyblades has made a decent few posts and explained his absence, Cronos made only one post, saying there was no pattern and voted for no lynch... this screams scum to me...

So much so that if it was someone i knew to be an experienced player i wouldn't suspect it... but cronos is new i think to mafia ?

Anyone tell me about Cronos mafia playing ?

this is how it was supposed to be appear, just to avoid anyone being confused by me...

Edit: im willing to switch to TotD to ensure he has a majority, but athotes, everyone and Cronos are better lynches in my opinion... if no one will back me with any of those im willing to lynch TotD over andres and ducky though...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

exactly, we have to stay together until we figure out who is changing them and why the votes are being changed.
this is My first game, so I am just going by the people I know. Tiberius of the drake and I worked together night one. but I haven't heard from him since, and I feel that's kind of weird.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

what is the current vote count?

the reason ive been less active than i would like is due to rl. I had planned on investigating Ichigo next but was unable to acess the org on friday Night. the next three days i was attending a relatives graduation from college (cum laude, major=history, poli sci and archaeology minor). during this I mangaed to find a hotel without Wi-Fi acess (:crying:).

anyways,as Cultured Drizzt fan can attest we participated in an investigation on N1 together of Beskar. our investigation turned up that Beskar was a member of my faction and seemed harmless. however, at least to my knowledge, Cultured Drizzt Fan was the only other person who knew this. Beskar ended up dead the next night. This strikes me as a faction inspired action, and very anti town.

My vote, however, remains the same. lynching a pro faction member simply brings the mafia closer to victory.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yep night one me and TotD investigated beskar, no offense beskar but you coming forward was a bit weird. at the time I hadn't read that investigating only revealed faction, and I have to say that it was TotD who suggested Beskar, I was willing to investigate anyone or everyone! (sorry I keep doing that....)

[Tratorix]

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake. We need a clear majority so Cicero and co. can't manipulate this however they like.

I apologize for my lack of activity, between RL and trying to keep up with GH's Omerta game, I haven't had the time to wade through the pages of posts in this one. I will of course take the suspicion i've brought upon myself in good humour.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

I am unsatisfied with this choice, but I'd rather not let the vote switchers decide who will be lynched.

[Beskar]

Tiberius of the Drake/Cultured Drizzt Fan, can you post the result in the forum? I am interested in seeing how it looks.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Do you want it with your faction crossed out? Or does it not matter at this point,
well I just crossed it out, if you want to reveal that's your choice not mine.

You send your servants off to watch Beskar’s villa. Your men take up position in an alley from which they can watch a side entrance. Foot traffic is low during the night, which makes the arrival of several well-dressed plebians easy to spot. They must be political supporters of Beskar, who is clearly a .

[Beskar]

It's obvious because it said plebeians. Interesting though.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm. I believe it is a bad idea to put a lot of votes on someone just so they can't be saved by vote switchers. It just allows easy bandwagoning--see tratorix and theflax. If it's very close to deadline we can drop a couple votes on the top vote getter but not before then. If it's naturally close, then it should naturally be close, let them switch the votes if they want to. We can either vig or lynch the person who got saved if we really do find them that suspicious.

[Tratorix]

Hmm. I believe it is a bad idea to put a lot of votes on someone just so they can't be saved by vote switchers. It just allows easy bandwagoning--see tratorix and theflax. If it's very close to deadline we can drop a couple votes on the top vote getter but not before then. If it's naturally close, then it should naturally be close, let them switch the votes if they want to. We can either vig or lynch the person who got saved if we really do find them that suspicious.

But, as Ignoramus( I think) pointed out, Cicero and Cato were both historically Pompeians. Without a clear majority, we are putting the lynch in the hands of one mafia faction.

[LittleGrizzly]

Seen as TotD actually participated in a night action maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt... a few suspicious players who have lurked more than TotD would be

everyone
Atheotes
Cronos

If anyone is willing to vote for any of those 3 instead of TotD im willing to change my vote over to match it... Cronos is probably the best lynch out of the 3 though...

I have given the reasons a few times but Cronos especially was on the wog list with an aestrix and then comes and makes a one line abstain vote... he seems a better lynch than TotD... especially with Cultured backing up his investigation story, and the fact he is posting a little more and excusing his absence..

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But, as Ignoramus( I think) pointed out, Cicero and Cato were both historically Pompeians. Without a clear majority, we are putting the lynch in the hands of one mafia faction.

It is true...we need someone to be ahead by 5 votes to lynch for sure. I forgot that they can switch people who are voting for the main guy. However we don't know how often they can use that ability. Hmm.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Seen as TotD actually participated in a night action maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt... a few suspicious players who have lurked more than TotD would be

I don't think TotD is being lynched because he's a lurker. That's certainly not why I'm voting him. I picked him because he's made a some scummy posts. Participating in a night action doesn't clear you anyhow.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

they have done it both days so far, though it has gone from one to two.

[Chaotix]

Well, my vote's going to stay on AggonyDuck for now. I think the role pm would have been easily forgeable, but I think the probability is that the Caesarians have actually fed us a mafia here. That is one of their main goals, after all. Anyway, if it turns out to be wrong (in which case Ducky has my apologies) then we'll know we can't believe anything they say. That said, I doubt Aggony is even in danger at this point...

[Tratorix]

Well, my vote's going to stay on AggonyDuck for now. I think the role pm would have been easily forgeable, but I think the probability is that the Caesarians have actually fed us a mafia here. That is one of their main goals, after all. Anyway, if it turns out to be wrong (in which case Ducky has my apologies) then we'll know we can't believe anything they say. That said, I doubt Aggony is even in danger at this point...

AggonyDuck is probably going to be night killed once they see their attempt to get him lynched didn't work. Caesar was probably hoping we would waste our time lynching him this round, which protects the mafia and gets rid of another senator. Double win.

[LittleGrizzly]

Yeah its pointless lynching who other mafia point out as mafia for us, if they do now a certain person is mafia they will kill them themselves... theres no need for the town to do the mafias dirty work... most likely mafia conbfusion anyway...

Or being honest and setting us up to confuse us later in the game

Sasaki thats fair enough a few people mentioned lurking in thier votes for him though... so to those people im pointing out better lurker lynches...

[woad&fangs]

vote: tiberius of the Drake

Because I don't want the tally manipulated to kill AggonyDuck. We want the mafia to have to night kill him.

[Beskar]

You are forgetting that people can be protected. You cannot be protected from a lynch, that could be possibly Caesar's motive.

[Jolt]

Actually Cicero and Cato were never Pompeians. They were Optimates (Which is a very different thing), heck even Cicero wasn't Optimate, he just decided to pick it since Caesar had rebelled, but he still kept his options opened. Cicero and Cato always fought for the Republic, rather than taking being factionous as many of the Senators were. I think Cicero and Cato are actually working for the good of the Republic (Town) in the game. In any case, can someone explain to me why is TotD being so bandwaggoned?

Vote: Abstain

[Tratorix]

Actually Cicero and Cato were never Pompeians. They were Optimates (Which is a very different thing), heck even Cicero wasn't Optimate, he just decided to pick it since Caesar had rebelled, but he still kept his options opened. Cicero and Cato always fought for the Republic, rather than taking being factionous as many of the Senators were. I think Cicero and Cato are actually working for the good of the Republic (Town) in the game. In any case, can someone explain to me why is TotD being so bandwaggoned?

Vote: Abstain

Right, I should have said optimate instead of pompeian. But them not being mafia outright doesn't change the fact that they could easily ally with Pompey and the general consensus seemed to be that they switched votes off a fellow optimate to save him last round.

You are forgetting that people can be protected. You cannot be protected from a lynch, that could be possibly Caesar's motive.

True, but AggonyDuck was most likely not protected if he is just a regular senator, one off ability or not. Why wouldn't Caesar just kill him? My bet is the mafia are just trying to kick up hornets nests with their messages.

[TinCow]

For my own sanity...

Tally as of Post # 563

Tiberius of the Drake: 9 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki Kojiro, AggonyDuck, GeneralHankerchief, Iskander 3.1, Cultured Drizzt fan, Tratorix, TheFlax, woad&fangs)
AggonyDuck: 4 (Chaotix, Tiberius of the Drake, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Beefy187, )
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Greyblades)
Ignoramus: 1 (Andres)
Andres: 1 (YLC)
Cronos Impera: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Abstain: 4 (everyone, Ignoramus, Ichigo, Jolt)

[Tiberius of the Drake]

I don't think TotD is being lynched because he's a lurker. That's certainly not why I'm voting him. I picked him because he's made a some scummy posts. Participating in a night action doesn't clear you anyhow.

I would like to know how my posts have been scummy. I seem to be chosen for lynching simply because the town wants to make sure that cicero cannot sway a vote. I am being seriously bandwaggoned and If someone can post a valid, truthful reason for my proscription then so be it. but otherwise i will not stand to be slandered/libelled as I have been.

unvote: Aggony Duck
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro


I am fully dedicated to the town and to seing the republic survive. As such, I proudly proclaim that my political party is Populares. I have seen some of my compatriots killed and I have seen my opponents killed. I do not wish to see more blood. The republic must survive.

Senator Tiberius

(Note: This post is slightly IC, and slightly OC)

[AggonyDuck]

At the moment I'm not really happy with any of the lynch choices with perhaps the exception of Cronos Impera.

Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
Vote: Cronos Impera

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Cronos

Gut instinct he just seems scummy to me.

[Csargo]

Right, I should have said optimate instead of pompeian. But them not being mafia outright doesn't change the fact that they could easily ally with Pompey and the general consensus seemed to be that they switched votes off a fellow optimate to save him last round.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake, Vote: Cronos Impera

that was enough to move me, well spoken. it is true you do not deserve to be bandwaggoned, and I don't see cronos coming forward to defend himself.

(wow I am a bit of a pushover, I changed my vote like 5 times.....)

[johnhughthom]

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake

Just a hunch.