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[Andres]

Yep, I suppose it's also possible that they just want to keep Sasaki alive. But both mafia groups? Surely if he's mafia at least one of them must want him dead.

Well, maybe one of them names him to keep him alive and the other group to get him lynched

He seems to be very popular.

I don't know. I didn't get a mafia vibe from Sasaki when speaking to him (doesn't say much, given his skill), and whenever he's killed, it's been as a vigilante, not a mafioso- he offed pevergreen and tried to kill me in this way.

Mafiosi can take part in vigilante groups and they can withdraw from it themselves to make it fail.

What's your point, exactly?

[Chaotix]

That is the point. Everything he's done so far seems to point to him being innocent, but it's also all WIFOM, because a mafioso could do the same things to make himself look innocent.

As such, I don't know what to think of him.

[Andres]

Paranoia strikes again.

I hardly think that someone with the role of Caesar or Pompey just sat around until they were replaced. I SUPPOSE it is possible someone is writing their messages for them.

It's not uncommon for hosts to accept orders for mafioso A from his partner B. And the mafiosi can have team mates to write the messages for them.

In short, you can suspect me all you like and I have no defense. I'm not concerned with wasting time in defending myself

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vs.

Well I can basically prove I am not Caesar or Pompey, and neither are any of the replacement players, as it's patently obvious that Caesar and Pompey are active players.

What are you smoking, pizzaguy?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What are you smoking, pizzaguy?

Lord Winter
Last Activity: 05-20-2009 00:48

Posted on the 18th on these forums, as well as the 8th and 16th. He obviously got his role PM.

So you're saying Lord Winter completely blew off his entire team? Just abandoned everyone even though he was one of the most important roles in the game?

I don't think so. But believe what you want, because as a claimed investigator, I WILL get lynched or vigilante'd or killed by the mafia.

It's utterly ridiculous.

[Andres]

Lord Winter
Last Activity: 05-20-2009 00:48

Posted on the 18th on these forms, as well as the 8th and 16th. He obviously got his role PM.

So you're saying Lord Winter completely blew off his entire team? Just abandoned everyone even though he was one of the most important roles in the game?

I don't think so. But believe what you want, because as a claimed investigator, I WILL get lynched or vigilante'd or killed by the mafia.

It's utterly ridiculous.

What's utterly ridiculous? That you'll get lynched or killed because you claimed "investigator"? Most of us will be lynched, vig killed or mafia killed by the end of the game.

And about Lord Winter completely blowing off his team, that same argument could be used if he had gotten the role of pro-town investigator, no? Mafia or detective, both are important roles, so your argument isn't exactly convincing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's utterly ridiculous? That you'll get lynched or killed because you claimed "investigator"? Most of us will be lynched, vig killed or mafia killed by the end of the game.

And about Lord Winter completely blowing off his team, that same argument could be used if he had gotten the role of pro-town investigator, no? Mafia or detective, both are important roles, so your argument isn't exactly convincing.

It's ridiculous that I would be Caesar or Pompey and claim to be an investigator. Because, that means the "rival" mafia have 2 potential reasons to get rid of me. And claiming investigator is also a pretty fair way to get oneself lynched.

I am not that concerned with convincing you, though. You can believe whatever you like.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm getting bad vibes from Ignoramus. He was in the know for our little group and we've been getting booted off one-by-one. In addition, he's a bit more active than usual.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sounds good to me. Ignoramus being active does reek of him having a role. I take it he didn't claim to be anything important, GH?

vote: Ignoramus

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Ignoramus

I'm getting rather irritated with these tyrants. They should have stopped by my cozy home by now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sounds good to me. Ignoramus being active does reek of him having a role. I take it he didn't claim to be anything important, GH?

vote: Ignoramus

Me being dead, I'm not sure how much I'm exactly allowed to reveal.

[AggonyDuck]

Didn't he publically reveal himself as a faction shifter?

[Andres]

This is the role he claimed in the thread:

Fo everyone to see, here is my role pm:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

“Treat your friend as if he might become an enemy.”
- Publilius Syrus

Tiberius Claudius Nero (Tiberius Nero)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)

The gens Claudius are nearly as old as the Republic itself, and you are a prime example of their aristocratic heritage. Your father was an ally of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus and took a strong stand against Lucius Sergius Catilina’s failed Populares uprising. Everything you have been taught, and everything that you are, is a conservative and an Optimates in the finest traditions of Old Rome. Yet, you have always admired Gaius Julius Caesar. The man is charismatic and friendly to those who would be his friends, including you. More than once has he extended a kind word when it was unnecessary, or voiced support for you in the Senate when it was of no benefit to him. You know that there would be worse things in the world than Caesar as Dictator.

Should you wish it, you could cross over to the Populares at any time; Caesar’s blessing would surely be enough to convince all of his followers to accept you. Then again, you could also aid the dying Republic. There are few in Rome who possess your unique political flexibility, and it will allow you the freedom to chart your own course, going wherever the winds of fortune take you.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Damnatio Memoriae: Despite your long-standing ties to the Optimates, there has always been a part of you that has sympathized with the ideals of the Populares. Unlike most Senators, you are capable of crossing over to the other side and convincing them that the shift was sincere. Of course, such an action would only be believable once. You can switch your allegiance to the Populares at any time, but you cannot switch back. This will permanently change your role and victory conditions to those of a Populares Senator.

[Andres]

Vote: Ignoramus

I'm getting rather irritated with these tyrants. They should have stopped by my cozy home by now.

Surely, by now you have more to add to the discussion than just this, dear 'khaan.

[seireikhaan]

Surely, by now you have more to add to the discussion than just this, dear 'khaan.

Hmmm.... nope.

Wait....

Actually, I still think YLC is total scum for rolefishing me.

[Andres]

Hmmm.... nope.

Wait....

Actually, I still think YLC is total scum for rolefishing me.

Why so evasive, 'khaan?

[seireikhaan]

Me being dead, I'm not sure how much I'm exactly allowed to reveal.

So, GH, there's not anything you can reveal?

[GeneralHankerchief]

So, GH, there's not anything you can reveal?

As a matter of fact, yes, but not to you.

[seireikhaan]

As a matter of fact, yes, but not to you.

Very well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Was Andres ever proven innocent? Because I smell an Andres bluff.

I'm about to vote for Shinseikhaan.

[AggonyDuck]

Dear Pompey,

I've been looking at your lists and trying to make sense of them. I initially thought that the first list was a list of Populares you know of and when the other list came up I figured it was a list of Optimates you know of, but then I noticed that woad&fangs was on both lists! That makes no sense and has left me very confused over the meaning of your lists. So could you be kind enough to explain to a confused Optimate what your lists are meant to achieve?

Yours,
Spinther

[Chaotix]

Vote: Khaan

For nonsense. Repeated nonsense.

You want to be killed so much by the mafia; let's see how you like being lynched instead.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

so much WIFOM.... god, this is getting complicated
Vote: Shinseikhaan, because who in the world would want to die in a game as great as this. you keep asking to die, why? could you explain?

[Greyblades]

I'm getting a headache. Vote Khaan ^^What he said

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Cultured Drizzt fan

Still bandwagoning I see.


The claim is that I was visited by pompey's daughter, so I must be either pompey or a new convert. However, I see no reason why pompey's daughter would be sneaking in to see her father, and I was told that GH was roleblocked by the woman visiting him. I wasn't visited by pompey's daughter in any case.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

no, but I can see at this point there is no reason to abstain, if Shinseikhaan can come up with a good reason he keeps moaning for the mafia to come and find him my vote will change.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I just got home from taping a movie and after reading through the posts decided to vote Shinseikhaan, call it what you will.

[Greyblades]

Um... you do know that theres an edit button?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

no comment

[seireikhaan]

Oh thank you, thank you, sweet Jupiter, for finally aligning to have this miserable existence extinguished!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

uhhh why?