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[AggonyDuck]

Please. If you're going to vote for me because you're confused, tell me what confuses you (in the thread or via pm, I don't care.) and I will lift the so-called veil of confusion. There are some who know exactly who I am (actually most of them are dead now- YLC, Sasaki, ATPG, maybe a few others), there are others who have ideas about what I might be, but everyone who has bothered to read the thread knows that I am a role with a blocking ability, whose only goal is to survive the game, and who can share the guards of someone who I block.

I don't need people voting for me because of "gut instinct", because if I die, then I lose, and I'd rather not lose because I revealed to the town rather than keeping a low profile and staying hidden.

Also- Ichigo is a terrible vote, too. I know what he is, and it would be a bad idea to lynch him.

Finally, I suggest that Sasaki give us the list of townies who was supposed to do night actions last night, and we'll vote someone who wasn't doing any action, instead of just voting based on "instinct" or "suspicious lurking". While they are valid reasons sometimes, in this game there are townies who need to remain hidden from the mafia as much as the mafia must remain hidden from the town.

To be honest, I'd actually favour starting to share information between us. As it is a lot of you are just insinuating that some are bad votes due to some roles or night activities, yet this is never made public and we're just left with having to trust your word. I seriously think we're reaching the stage where should start to consider open sharing of information as I believe the town would gain more of advantage from it than the tyrants.

[Chaotix]

Ok. I don't want to reveal who Ichigo is to protect him, but I suppose that's useless if he's lynched anyway. Ichigo is, I will say, as important to be kept alive as GH was. Any more than that he can reveal himself, but if you can't figure that giant non-reveal role hint, I will be dissappointed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To be honest, I'd actually favour starting to share information between us. As it is a lot of you are just insinuating that some are bad votes due to some roles or night activities, yet this is never made public and we're just left with having to trust your word. I seriously think we're reaching the stage where should start to consider open sharing of information as I believe the town would gain more of advantage from it than the tyrants.

No, we don't need to share information. It's a bad idea and just leads to pro town roles being outed.

Instead we should focus on lynching suspicious people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote Count:

Beefy 2 (khaan,ignoramus)
everyone 1 (tratorix)



Well, beefy should be lynched, if you don't agree I would say tratorix is next most likely.

It's funny actually, by killing me the mafia gave up any chance of defending themselves against my arguments or forcing me to reveal information about the townie network...suffice it to say, I arrived at beefy and tratorix as my top two by a process of elimination based on the amount of information I had at my fingertips, and by some inconsistencies from the pm's I had.

I will offer them a little something they can defend against though.

Beefy is displaying the same mafia tell that several other known mafia have. The "oh sure I'd love to help!" coupled with a lack of real effort, since they are mainly concerned with convincing others of their innocence. He is also defending himself today in a very mafioso manner. So calm and helpful and earnest.

Tratorix, most of my evidence is not post able, so you'll have to trust my judgment on that.

What night actions did you take before I pm'd you to join a protection group tratorix?

[Caius]

Only lynch me if you are really really out of option please

Looks like there is not another option at the moment, there are a lot of people that doesnt are active at the moment. Id vote everyone, but it is useless, TC kill both senators and doesnt let us to untie the tie. So, unless therre is something else I wont cast a vote now.

[Andres]

The first one is my investigation on GH from Night 1, where he apparently had his lictors protect him. In your investigation of Ichigo, it appears that he did not protect himself nor did he protect anyone else either. Overall the contrast is very strange as I would had expected Ichigo to be active in some way tonight.

From the write-up:

Ichigo looked hesitantly to right and left. No one else was in sight. Surely they were just late and would appear… now! He looked around again, seeing nothing. A single bead of sweat ran down Ichigo’s face as the gladii-armed men finally reached him, their blades thrusting forward to disembowel him. The last through that ran through his head was a niggling suspicion that he had forgotten to do something important.

I think it's pretty obvious that Ichigo didn't send in his orders last night.

[Iskander 3.1]

Vote: Beefy

[johnhughthom]

Whoops almost forgot about this.

Vote:Beefy

Pretty much following Sasaki on this one.

[Andres]

He is also defending himself today in a very mafioso manner. So calm and helpful and earnest.

So, how should he defend himself then? Upset, unhelpful and lying? What does it take to satisfy you?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also, andres is coming to beefy's defense, which is just what I would expect if beefy were mafia.

[Andres]

Also, andres is coming to beefy's defense, which is just what I would expect if beefy were mafia.

Are you sure about the person who told you I am mafia? Because for once, my dearest Sasaki, I'm not mafia.

If I were, I would now be enjoying myself with spouting obfuscating nonsense instead of actively trying to help town.

Or are you perhaps working towards a mafia victory?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't think you are mafia...but "how should he defend himself" is not the question. I'm not criticizing his playing style. I'm pointing out things that smell guilty to my gut. The path you propose leads to naught but sophistry.

[johnhughthom]

Come on guys, 5 votes out of 16 is pretty pathetic.