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[LittleGrizzly]

Your killing a townie just because he refuses to kill someone else who he has no reason to?

Nope im killing you because your a suspect and refuse to cooperate with group efforts...

Besides didn't you just say split was as much of a suspect as me ?

Either you aren't suspicious of me or you are suspicious of split

Since when were you elected judge, jury and executioner?

Around about the time sasaki put me in charge of the townie group, its not just me though, as you can see from sasaki's posts there is suspicion on you...

Your more scummy than me or split and I have no reason or inclination to help you.

Weren't me and split as scummy as each other a few posts back ?

As it is my innocence seems to be trusted by everyone else but you... are you the genuis who can see what others are missing... if so you better spit it out because as things stand i am directing the towns efforts, and any good townie would shout and scream and stomp if he thought a scummy player was leading the town....

But the only reason you seem to be suspicious of me is because i asked you to carry out an attack, no mention of any suspicion on me whilst i was clearly leading the towns efforts, where i was requesting people to give me thier night results, where sasaki said i was in charge of the townie group...

No, the only time you seemed to have a problem is when i asked you to participate in a night action...

You can call me a bad townie all you want but good townie doesn't follow a player that has yet to prove his innocence like sheep just because he says so.

There are things you can't know, primarily because your still a suspect, partially because information is one power we have over the mafia at the moment.... though you still don't have to take my word for it... look at the facts...

Sasaki perhaps one of the best mafia players on the .org handing over the town group to me... sasaki wouldn't have dared do such a thing unless he could be 100% certain of my innocence

No counter claim to my claim of consul, if i was the real other consul, and a fake consul was just put in charge i would be screaming the thread down that he is a fake

Chaotix blocking me two nights running with no drop in kills and him confirming that i have guards, all said in the thread just go back and check

I have huge paranoia in these games but i would trust someone who managed all the above criteria...

Are you 100 % sure about LittleGrizzly? He was a suspect of Sasaki a couple of rounds ago. Did he in the meanwhile provide the required evidence of the role he claimed in that round?

sasaki publically handed the townie network over to me, combine that with stuff i mentioned above which is checkable through the thread, i think there is every reason to believe my innocence. There are a limited amount of players who can be sure of my innocence, the absence of anyone but greyblades questioning me must also prove my innocence to a point...

Greyblades if you truely are a proven innocent why do you appear in sasaki's suspect list ?

I have seen nothing to prove your innocence hence why your part of the suspect list...

Edit: If i have missed something please correct my error, there is time for me to cancel the order if i feel there is a need to... but i do not see such a need at the moment...

[Beefy187]

Are you 100 % sure about LittleGrizzly? He was a suspect of Sasaki a couple of rounds ago. Did he in the meanwhile provide the required evidence of the role he claimed in that round?

No. But nobody else seems to be taking the initiative. And I am keeping close attention on someone else I think may be guilty.

We also have 14 men left so, we don't have to hurry too much.

[Andres]

I am not a mafia I am a one use detective I've used it up and now I'm just a townie.

@Beefy: And yet he's killing a proved investigator over a lurker?

Also, it seems like your special ability is the exact same as AggonyDuck's, who posted his in the public thread early on in the game.

[Greyblades]

He's probably the optimates investigator.
I may as well reveal seeing as I'm dead if I don't prove my innocence:

“Better be ignorant of a matter than half know it.”
- Publilius Syrus

Gaius Asinius Pollio (Pollio)
Senator
(Populares Faction)

You are an intelligent young Senator with a promising future. Few men in Rome are as intelligent, witty, and talented as you, but many are more experienced. Your inherent abilities have brought your great success and prosperity that is unusual in a man of your youth, but you know that you can accomplish far, far more. However, you must first survive this political cataclysm before you can demonstrate your true value to the Roman people. Perhaps it would be a good time to call in some of those favors you have accumulated with your recent successes…


Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Optimates Faction Members, including Pompeians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Clientela: As a prominent Senator, you have spent a lifetime cultivating an expansive web of connections. All over Rome, men both high and low owe you great obligations. In this time of crisis, you have decided to call in one of your most valuable favors. One of your clients is well-placed inside the household of another Senator, and he will provide you with information. You may investigate alone once. The investigation will show the target's faction and whether the target was active, though not what they were doing.

[TinCow]

We also have 14 men left so, we don't have to hurry too much.

I feel like this is a good time for me to remind people that this is not a normal mafia game. The mafia does not have to outnumber the town to win. All they have to do is eliminate the other faction and their opposing mafioso. It is entirely possible for the game to end in a mafia victory with the town outnumbering the mafia several times over.

[Beefy187]

I feel like this is a good time for me to remind people that this is not a normal mafia game. The mafia does not have to outnumber the town to win. All they have to do is eliminate the other faction and their opposing mafioso. It is entirely possible for the game to end in a mafia victory with the town outnumbering the mafia several times over.

This means that theres at least two mafia left. And the game is about to end.

[LittleGrizzly]

Unless i have some incorrect information i can gaurentee us at least another round..

[Greyblades]

Are you still going to kill me?

[TinCow]

This means that theres at least two mafia left. And the game is about to end.

The game will end as soon as any player meets their victory criteria. This has not yet happened. Take from that what you will.

[Andres]

Sasaki perhaps one of the best mafia players on the .org handing over the town group to me... sasaki wouldn't have dared do such a thing unless he could be 100% certain of my innocence

Sasaki is not infallible...

No counter claim to my claim of consul, if i was the real other consul, and a fake consul was just put in charge i would be screaming the thread down that he is a fake

Weren't there two consuls anyhow according to the OP?

Chaotix blocking me two nights running with no drop in kills and him confirming that i have guards, all said in the thread just go back and check

I have huge paranoia in these games but i would trust someone who managed all the above criteria...

Wasn't Chaotix confirmed scum (or didn't he say himself that he was scum somewhere)?

Are you 100 % sure about LittleGrizzly? He was a suspect of Sasaki a couple of rounds ago. Did he in the meanwhile provide the required evidence of the role he claimed in that round?

sasaki publically handed the townie network over to me, combine that with stuff i mentioned above which is checkable through the thread, i think there is every reason to believe my innocence. There are a limited amount of players who can be sure of my innocence, the absence of anyone but greyblades questioning me must also prove my innocence to a point...

Maybe Sasaki has reasons to believe you're innocent, but your explanations don't clear you entirely as far as I'm concerned.

Town should not make the mistake of letting a so-called confirmed innocent off the hook for the rest of the game.

[Marshal Murat]

I think that Greyblades, since he revealed that he is Pollio, should be killed. Who doesn't want to end Polio?

[Jolt]

This means that theres at least two mafia left. And the game is about to end.

No, this can mean that only one Mafia familly is still alive (e.g. Caesarians) and there are still Optimates Senators alive, but no Pompeians.

EDIT: However I think Pompey is still quite alive and trying to give the impression that he is dead.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He's probably the optimates investigator.
I may as well reveal seeing as I'm dead if I don't prove my innocence:

Mafia have cover pm's

EDIT: However I think Pompey is still quite alive and trying to give the impression that he is dead.

You have to wonder how he got cultured to go around talking? Though since you aren't allowed to reveal after death perhaps that is evidence that he was lying about being mafia.

[Greyblades]

Sure and I suppose that cover roles also have special abilities that work?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sure and I suppose that cover roles also have special abilities that work?

Yes, otherwise we could have found all the mafia night one.

[Greyblades]

How does that work? What,do you ask people for their roles on day one?
As for the role I meant work as in actually usable instead of decoration to throw off onlookers.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How does that work? What,do you ask people for their roles on day one?
As for the role I meant work as in actually usable instead of decoration to throw off onlookers.

Tratorix posted pm's showing that his ability was used.

You know, adding things up, at least one person has lied about their faction. Unless I added things up wrong...

[Greyblades]

I'm sorry but I dont remember that. Could you please quote the post when he said he was mafia, when he said he used a special ability?

[ULC]

I'm sorry but I dont remember that. Could you please quote the post when he said he was mafia, when he said he used a special ability?

Your needless antagonism isn't helping you Greyblades.

[LittleGrizzly]

Are you still going to kill me?

By the looks of it there wasn't enough time to change the order, you really want to prove your innocence take part in the attack on split tonight and if the mafia kill at the same time your cleared (unless my logic is wrong here ?)

I realise split could be an innocent senator, and it would be tragic that we killed him, but what we have left is a list of uncleared people, and because of other things it came down to split having to go tonight, in this list of people are the tyrants... so we have to work through the list even if innocents die along the way...

So if you really want to prove your innocence and help maintain the republic this is a nessecary evil...

Sorry for double post but i wanted to post this quickly... coming onto andres points now..

[Greyblades]

Your needless antagonism isn't helping you Greyblades.

No, actually, I'm genuinely puzzled at where tratorix revealed that he was mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm sorry but I dont remember that. Could you please quote the post when he said he was mafia, when he said he used a special ability?

You should trust me...

Dead Townies have little to no reason to lie

[Greyblades]

Beaten by my own words, man this is embarrassing.

[LittleGrizzly]

Sasaki is not infallible...

Certainly not, and despite his great nose for mafia he can be wrong sometimes...

So knowing sasaki don't you think he would ensured i was an innocent using methods available to him as townie group leader ?

Weren't there two consuls anyhow according to the OP?

Yes and we have 2 claimed consuls, but no more



Wasn't Chaotix confirmed scum (or didn't he say himself that he was scum somewhere)?

From what i have read he seemed to have a nuetral role, you'll notice his little rant after he died 'last time i try and help the town' or something to that effect.

He was a roleblocker, i think others can confirm this, he roleblocked me two nights running whilst the mafia maintained thier level of kills, and posted in the thread saying so...


Maybe Sasaki has reasons to believe you're innocent, but your explanations don't clear you entirely as far as I'm concerned.

Town should not make the mistake of letting a so-called confirmed innocent off the hook for the rest of the game.

I realise what i have presented isn't a slam dunk case, but i think its fairly close, there are other ways my innocence has been proven but i can't really share that information.... as much as that sucks it is for the good of the town...

[Splitpersonality]

So I'm target for attack tonight?

What reasons justify this attack?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The process of elimination my friend.

[Splitpersonality]

Ugh... there's no way to prove my innocence then eh?

I'm going to be killing if I produce no results, and I won't produce results if I know i'm going to be killed...

Guess it's my time to go. *shrug*

[Andres]

Tratorix posted pm's showing that his ability was used.

You know, adding things up, at least one person has lied about their faction. Unless I added things up wrong...

Ignoramus has the ability to switch faction; maybe others have/had it as well and used it.

@LittleGrizzly: well, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if the game continues after the elimination of all suspects, we'll have to look into your case again. Who was the other consul? Or is that classified information?

[LittleGrizzly]

Damn Big post all gone!!

Firstly sorry split, as i said in pm... your on the list and we need to work on the list, because of other actions there wasn't exactly much choice...

When the republic is restored your sacrifice shall be honoured with a grand statue I shall demand it I shall propose a motion on it

If you do turn out to be guilty i think im going to be more annoyed with with all the apologising and guilt...

Who was the other consul? Or is that classified information?

I don't know and I don't know TBH. Thinking on it where i said we had 2 claimed consuls was actually an assumption on my part... i assume sasaki would have been alot more suspicious...

Actually isn't that why i nearly got lynched... i think there may have been more than 2 consul claims... the rest of my case is still pretty strong though...

[TinCow]

Night X is over, etc.