Rubicon [Concluded]

[TheFlax]

In Sasaki I trust.

Vote: johnhughthom

[Andres]

So, we have the following suspects:

- splitpersonality;
- Beefy187;
- Iskander 3.1;
- johnhughthom;
- LittleGrizzly.

I think splitpersonality should be lynched today; that role pm is obviously fake. LittleGrizzly should be last on our priority list, I don't think he's guilty but would start to feel very uncomfortable if he stayed alive until endgame. If LG would be mafia, then Sasaki is probably guilty as well.

Lynch split today and vig kill at least one of Beefy, Iskander and johnhughthom, make sure the other(s) are tied in a group action.

[Andres]

Vote: Iskander

I always feel uncomfortable when you're alive in the endgame of a large mafia. You're not going to fool me again, are you 'khaan?

[Beefy187]

So, we have the following suspects:

- splitpersonality;
- Beefy187;
- Iskander 3.1;
- johnhughthom;
- LittleGrizzly.

I think splitpersonality should be lynched today; that role pm is obviously fake. LittleGrizzly should be last on our priority list, I don't think he's guilty but would start to feel very uncomfortable if he stayed alive until endgame. If LG would be mafia, then Sasaki is probably guilty as well.

Lynch split today and vig kill at least one of Beefy, Iskander and johnhughthom, make sure the other(s) are tied in a group action.

But... But.. I'm a optimates..

Why am I a suspect when theres only Caesarians left...

[Andres]

But... But.. I'm a optimates..

Why am I a suspect when theres only Caesarians left...

It's not because there's no more Pompey news/propaganda and because Cultured Drizzt Fan, a mafioso who confessed, said that there are no more Pompeians left, that there are no more Pompeians left.

So no, being Optimates doesn't clear you in the slightest.

Add to that the fact that there are roles who can switch faction during the game so being discovered as Optimates on let's say N3 is not a guarantee that you're an Optimates now.

[Jolt]

This is all becoming quite confusing. From what I read, I reckon split is innocent. Sasaki is dead and the general consensus to which I agree, is that Sasaki is townie and therefore is trying to help the town. This brothers thingie is also quite odd, and is giving me the shivers.

Vote: Iskander

[johnhughthom]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

“The rule of friendship means there should be mutual sympathy between them, each supplying what the other lacks and trying to benefit the other, always using friendly and sincere words.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

Marcus Aemilius Lepidus (Lepidus)
Senator
(Populares Faction)

Your father was a controversial man, in the best traditions of Rome. He supported Lucius Cornelius Sulla while he was Dictator, but quickly turned on him once he retired from public life and dedicated himself to the Populares cause. His consulship was… eventful… to put it kindly, but the children of powerful exiles are still the children of powerful men.

Both you and your brother, Lucius Aemilius Lepidus Paullus, have followed in your father’s footsteps as supporters of the Populares. In your case, you served Gaius Julius Caesar during the Gallic Wars, and have recently secured the coveted title of Praetor. Despite this rank and the traditional benefits that go with it, your true strength lies in cooperation with your brother. In times of crisis like these, you are one of the few men in Rome who knows that he has an ally he can rely upon. Your odds of emerging from this political storm are surely far greater if you work together.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Optimates Faction Members, including Pompeians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Amicitia: Over the years, you have developed a very close friendship with another Senator. You share a strong bond and are truly amici in the finest traditions of Roman society. You know that this Senator holds the same political beliefs as you and you are confident that if you work together, you will both have a better chance of surviving this crisis, regardless of the course that you chart through it. You know the identity of another Populares Faction Senator, and he knows yours. That Senator is your brother, Lucius Aemilius Lepidus Paullus (Paullus) – Iskander 3.1.

My role pm, I will leave it up to Iskander to decide if he wants to post his.

[Greyblades]

Lucius Munatius Plancus

I looked it up and a person with that name did exist at that period as a senitor and seeing as I dont think split is cunning enough to actually have come up with a name that actually belonged to anyone(no offence) I'll Unvote: Split. even if LG kills me I wont kill another Populares.
Seeing as Pompey is dead and now the joint mafia win for the populares isn't obtainable I would advise that you look at suspicion at anyone who votes for a confirmed Populares.

[Iskander 3.1]

My role PM (I don't remember how to do spoiler alerts, sorry):

“The shifts of Fortune test the reliability of friends.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, "De Amicitia"

Lucius Aemilius Lepidus Paullus (Paullus)
Senator
(Populares Faction)

Your father was a controversial man, in the best traditions of Rome. He supported Lucius Cornelius Sulla while he was Dictator, but quickly turned on him once he retired from public life and dedicated himself to the Populares cause. His consulship was… eventful… to put it kindly, but the children of powerful exiles are still the children of powerful men.

Both you and your brother, Marcus Aemilius Lepidus, have followed in your father’s footsteps as supporters of the Populares. In your case, you have followed the cursus honorum, as Quaestor in 59 BC, Aedile in 55 BC, Praetor in 53 BC, and finally as Consul in 50 BC. You owe Gaius Julius Caesar a great deal, but your experience and titles allow you the freedom to lend your strong support to the Republic, if you so choose. In addition, despite your high prestige, your true strength lies in cooperation with your brother. In times of crisis like these, you are one of the few men in Rome who knows that he has an ally he can rely upon. Your odds of emerging from this political storm are surely far greater if you work together.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Optimates Faction Members, including Pompeians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Amicitia: Over the years, you have developed a very close friendship with another Senator. You share a strong bond and are truly amici in the finest traditions of Roman society. You know that this Senator holds the same political beliefs as you and you are confident that if you work together, you will both have a better chance of surviving this crisis, regardless of the course that you chart through it. You know the identity of another Populares Faction Senator, and he knows yours. That Senator is your brother, Marcus Aemilius Lepidus (Lepidus) – johnhughthom.



By the way, according to history, my brother will later sentence me to death...

[johnhughthom]

By the way, according to history, my brother will later sentence me to death...

Phew, glad I deleted my fratricide special ability.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, we have the following suspects:

- splitpersonality;
- Beefy187;
- Iskander 3.1;
- johnhughthom;
- LittleGrizzly.

I think splitpersonality should be lynched today; that role pm is obviously fake. LittleGrizzly should be last on our priority list, I don't think he's guilty but would start to feel very uncomfortable if he stayed alive until endgame. If LG would be mafia, then Sasaki is probably guilty as well.

Lynch split today and vig kill at least one of Beefy, Iskander and johnhughthom, make sure the other(s) are tied in a group action.

I would to share what I know Andres, but I can't. Let's just say there is reason enough to believe that the pompeiins are dead, enough to leave beefy for today. And split as you remember used his protection last night--which means he could not have attacked AggonyDuck.

John has not been in groups most of this game, and as was stated on the last page the one night he claims he appeared in the attack vs littleGrizzly is the night Iskander skipped out of my group with the excuse that he "forgot to include the names of his partners"

I can't share what leads me to eliminate most of the others as possibilities, so I'll just say that john is the top choice for today.

And remember, mafia almost certainly have cover role pm's.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote Count:

splitpersonality: 3(littlegrizzly, greyblades, splitpersonality)
Iskander: 2(Khaan,Jolt)
johnhughthom: 1(TheFlax)
abstain (marshal)

Hmm, I don't want to get into a situation like yesterday where we were scrambling for a vote switch at the last minute. So let's lynch Iskander instead of john. Six of one half a dozen of the other.

[TheFlax]

Unvote, Vote: Iskander

[Iskander 3.1]

And yet my actions for the last 2 nights were still accounted for. Sasaki, did you ever realize that you might be wrong? You've been lynching innocents left and right for this entire game.

[Greyblades]

Vote: Beefy

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote

What times does this phase end?

I'm so off on times right now (but who cares, I'm done with finals! whoo!)

[johnhughthom]

Vote:Beefy

[Iskander 3.1]

Vote: Beefy

[johnhughthom]

What times does this phase end?

7:30pm EST.

[Splitpersonality]

I've got 7 hours then to come up with a legitimate reason to vote someone.

I'll stay at Vote:Abstain for now, but I shall be back.

[TinCow]

As noted several times before, vote changes made without unvoting will not be counted.

[Iskander 3.1]

Just to be on the safe side:

Unvote; Vote: Beefy

[Greyblades]

Im sure I had unvoted earlier but to be safe, Unvote: whoever, Vote: Beefy

[johnhughthom]

I'll join the party,

Unvote; Vote:beefy

[Andres]

Why Beefy over split?

Compare Igno's role pm:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Fo everyone to see, here is my role pm:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

“Treat your friend as if he might become an enemy.”
- Publilius Syrus

Tiberius Claudius Nero (Tiberius Nero)
Senator
(Optimates Faction)

The gens Claudius are nearly as old as the Republic itself, and you are a prime example of their aristocratic heritage. Your father was an ally of Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus and took a strong stand against Lucius Sergius Catilina’s failed Populares uprising. Everything you have been taught, and everything that you are, is a conservative and an Optimates in the finest traditions of Old Rome. Yet, you have always admired Gaius Julius Caesar. The man is charismatic and friendly to those who would be his friends, including you. More than once has he extended a kind word when it was unnecessary, or voiced support for you in the Senate when it was of no benefit to him. You know that there would be worse things in the world than Caesar as Dictator.

Should you wish it, you could cross over to the Populares at any time; Caesar’s blessing would surely be enough to convince all of his followers to accept you. Then again, you could also aid the dying Republic. There are few in Rome who possess your unique political flexibility, and it will allow you the freedom to chart your own course, going wherever the winds of fortune take you.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Populares Faction Members, including Caesarians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Damnatio Memoriae: Despite your long-standing ties to the Optimates, there has always been a part of you that has sympathized with the ideals of the Populares. Unlike most Senators, you are capable of crossing over to the other side and convincing them that the shift was sincere. Of course, such an action would only be believable once. You can switch your allegiance to the Populares at any time, but you cannot switch back. This will permanently change your role and victory conditions to those of a Populares Senator.

with split:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

“Think to yourself that every day is your last; the hour to which you do not look forward will come as a welcome surprise.”
- Quintus Horatius Flaccus

Lucius Munatius Plancus (Plancus)
Senator
(Populares Faction)

You served in Caesar’s legions well and ably during the Gallic Wars. A veteran of glorious combat with powerful friends in the Senate, it was only a matter of time before you became a Senator yourself. With you long-standing friendship with both Gaius Julius Caesar and Marcus Antonius, your allegiance to the Populares has never been in question. However, you are a flexible man and know that loyalties can change over time, given the right circumstances. You are free to support the Caesarians or the Republic as you see fit.

Victory Conditions:
(1) Eliminate all Caesarians and Pompeians. You will be victorious even if you are dead if this goal is met.

OR

(2) Survive and eliminate all Optimates Faction Members, including Pompeians.

Role Description:
Night Actions:
(1) With 1 other Senator, you can investigate one player per night. Successful investigations will show the target's faction.
(2) With 2 other Senators, you can attempt to protect one player per night. Any player you protect will be very difficult to kill that night.
(3) With 3 other Senators, you can attempt to kill one player per night.

Special Ability:
(1) Villa Stronghold: You are a wealthy man and own a fine villa which you have designed for security as well as comfort. Your guards are loyal and will fight to the death to protect you. So long as you remain inside your fortress home, you will be difficult to kill. You can survive one successful attack if you are inactive on the night of the attack.

If you guys are not going to lynch splitpersonality today, then I strongly suggest he gets vig killed tonight.

Cover roles for mafia are possible, but it's not unusual for mafia to tweak their cover roles to explain somoething. I did it in the Settlement, mafia had cover roles too, but I modified mine anyway; in fact, I made two tweaked cover roles: one "townie" cover role to reveal as townie and one "serial killer" cover role to explain scummy activities in case of a guilty result by a detective, to avoid detection of a connection with fellow mafiosi) and shlin28 did it in Swords in the Moon.

There's something wrong with split's cover pm. I've made quite a few fake role pm's and I think I can say this one smells fishy. Protection for mafiosi is not unlikely, so I think he tweaked his cover pm to explain the protection.

EDIT: If he's able to protect himself, then we should definitely lynch him instead of vig killing, because organising 2 vigilante groups to break through his protection is bound to fail.

[Splitpersonality]

What it says about our factions are clearly two different tones and ways of saying things.

You can't compare "Loyalties will change" with "At anytime you can switch factions"

I'm sorry, if Tincow meant for me to be able to switch factions, he would've outright said that.

[ULC]

Split PM is fine as far as I can tell, a bit short, but his ability is exactly like mine, word for word.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And yet my actions for the last 2 nights were still accounted for. Sasaki, did you ever realize that you might be wrong? You\'ve been lynching innocents left and right for this entire game.

No, at least 3 mafia have been lynched, possibly 4. And as for you being innocent, you just conveniently proved that you aren\'t

You guys don\'t have the numbers to outvote the optimates, not to mention that you can\'t rely on all of your populares comrades to kneel down and kiss caesars boots...

Iskander and John are most likely caesar and his remaining legate.

[TinCow]

Due to the forum issues, this day phase is extended. I'll decide when to end it after the forums start working again.

[Caius]

Vote:abstain

I'll make one side away from the road so I don't get crushed by the bandwagon incoming.