Sons of Mars Victory Condition

[Verrucosus]

Greetings,

I have a question about the "Sons of Mars" Prologue for Rome (version 1.5).

The factions summary says you have to control 50 provinces including Rome. This fits with the "descr_win_conditions.txt" file in the Sons of Mars folder which says "Imperator". However, there is only about a dozen provinces on the Prologue map. Does this mean that it is technically impossible to "win" the Prologue or is there a different victory condition that is simply not correctly displayed.

If it were possible to complete the Prologue successfully, I would suspect the victory conditions to include the control of Rome. Can this be achieved? In particular, given the limited number of provinces and the reduced timeframe (40 years), is it possible to be successful enough to get the "grab for power" message that would allow me to attack the other Romans faction?

Of course, I could just play the Imperial Campaign. I have done so and will do so again. Still, it would be a pleasant surprise (to me), if the Prologue when played beyond the initial tutorial phase would turn out to be a challenge in itself.

Verrucosus

[Warmaster Horus]

Actually, I tried that myself. I had practically every province possible, except the Roman ones. You can't really get enough influence amongst the people to be able to attack your countrymen.

So the answer is no, I'm afraid.

[predaturd]

send a diplomat to the senate and revoke military access then enjoy the roman civil war

[Warmaster Horus]

That works? Never tried it before.

It might, actually.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Sadly Verrucosus, the prolouge is impossible to truly win.

Likewise it is also impossible to attack your fellow Romans. This is primarily becuase there aren't enough provinces, which is esentially what senate/people popularity works upon.

It takes thirty-five provinces to result in a fall in senate popularity - this eventually causes them to request the suicide of your faction leader. Refusal results in the senate declaring war upon you, while acceptance results in your faction leader dying and the heir taking over. This gives you a few years of peace before being asked again.

It also takes conquest of more provinces than there are on the map to gain an acceptable level of popular support. Popular support simply allows you to attack/cancel certain treaties with your fellow Romans. This makes in nigh impossible to start the civil war through this method either.

send a diplomat to the senate and revoke military access then enjoy the roman civil war

I don't think that cancelling any of the starting diplomatic actions with the senate is possible without a situation where you are able to attack exists. This requires a certain level of popular support, which is almost impossible to gain in the prologue.

[Verrucosus]

I tested predaturd's suggestion and it did not work. The option to revoke military access simply did not appear on the diplomatic scroll.

If it is not possible to get enough popularity (10 points?) to attack Rome, we might not be able to find out whether that would satisfy the victory conditions. At least I can try to capture all provinces except Latium and Umbria. I'm not sure whether I can manage that because the Scipii might preempt me on the other side of the Adriatic Sea and because the low tax income from new settlements makes it difficult to balance the budget once the senate rewards become less generous.

Verrucosus

[Paradox]

Actually, you can. This was the second campaign I tried and what I did was I bought some provinces from the Brutii, causing the senate to annoy me with their "Give region back" messages. I got outlawed.