The Obssession with Homosexuality

[Rhyfelwyr]

I know that we all need forgivness, homosexuals are no different. I would be delighted if they would attent our churches as part of the congregation, and seriously listen to sound gospel. I don't care if they are homosexuals, prositutues, heck even murderers - they are always welcome to join the congregation and I would not want them to think otherwise.

The problem is that this fellow who wants to become a minister is denying that there is anything wrong with homosexuality. Yes God is forgiving, but a sign of forgiveness is realising the state of your sin, whether it is due to being homosexual, or just general flaws that we all have.

You may have noticed I am pretty anti-clerical, and so I would not even have a problem with a homosexual being a minister, since ministers are no different from the rest of us - so long as he/she acknowledged that homosexaulity is wrong according to the Bible.

It's the fact they are saying that homosexuality is OK that is annoying me. I know some of us Christians come across as having a "holier than thou" type attitude, but I am not judging this man as lesser than myself, God forgive me if I should ever think such a thing. But that does not mean that I am not aware of sin for what it is, otherwise I could not have realised my own sins. I do not want the Kirk to teach that sinful deeds are in any way godly, and this dispute is threating to cause the biggest single blow to the Kirk since the disruption of 1843.

[Scurvy]

Yes God is forgiving, but a sign of forgiveness is realising the state of your sin, whether it is due to being homosexual, or just general flaws that we all have.

Not sure I get this, its all very well recognising your own sinful behaviour, but not then attempting to change that behaviour is surely worse than not recognising it at all?

From an external, non-theological perspective, I think that an ideology that names homosexuality 'sinful', ie, inferior, is disgraceful and bigoted.

my thoughts exactly...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Louis, your quote from the "Symposium" is badly taken, Socrates advocated non-sexual love as the ultimate form in the dialogue and resisted the homosexual advances of Alcibidies. While Plato may himself have been a homosexual, and was certainly enamoured of Socrates; "Platonic love" is explicitiely non-sexual.

As far as Greek texts, you will have to cite a Patriarch from before 300 AD or similar aurthority if you wish to argue for "legitimate" homosexuality in Christianity. Nicaea banned homosexuality, I believe. Certainly John's Gospel was edited before then in order to remove an ambidious massage used by Greeks to argue for homosexuality. Personally I think the editing was unnecessary, the passage was vety tame.