A question about Carthage

[soup_alex]

In this case, the simplest solution is unfortunately not the right one. Well, it works beautifully if the human player is controlling SSbQ, but how to stop the pesky AI?

Would it be possible to edit faction build trees and prohibit construction of walls and upgrades in provinces that don't include a type I (or II) gov't "building"?


As to the historical veracity of this practice (walls being restricted, not modding RTW/EB :P), I can't comment, but would like to hear more about it.

[Zarax]

Well, that wouldn't be a problem to do... It's just the historical accuracy that gives me doubts

[Jebivjetar]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Carthage, situated in Africa on the southern shore of the Mediterranean about midway between its two extremes, grew rapidly in wealth and fame. As the cities of native Phoenicia crumbled beneath the repeated assaults of Assyrians, Babylonians, and Greeks, Carthage, secure in her distance and solitude, rose to be the chief trading-city of the world. By deg, though the details are lost to us, she became mistress of all north Africa west of Egypt. The other Phoenician colonies became her subjects; their walls were torn down and they were made incapable of resistance. The merchant princes of Carthage were as cruel, as merciless, as they were powerful. Their fields were tilled by slaves in chains, sometimes one merchant held twenty thousand of the joyless wretches in this miserable bondage.

From:

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/publi...storya_ji.html

Maybe this will help :-/

[Zarax]

that's what I read more or less... What I'm asking is how accurate is that

[Jebivjetar]

that's what I read more or less... What I'm asking is how accurate is that

Well, i would say it is pretty accurate, because this article is written by scholars

[Krusader]

Well, i would say it is pretty accurate, because this article is written by scholars

Generally yes, but its 1913 where more obscure cultures and factions were being researched upon, as Carthage, Baktria, Indo-Greeks etc.

Then you do have scholars who say ancient Greeks were blacks and Parthians were Jewish

But in this case, I do think its accurate enough, but if we will represent it in EB2, not sure.

[Zarax]

Interesting... that could give XGM-XC some uniqueness... Thanks Krusader!

[soup_alex]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Carthage, situated in Africa on the southern shore of the Mediterranean about midway between its two extremes, grew rapidly in wealth and fame. As the cities of native Phoenicia crumbled beneath the repeated assaults of Assyrians, Babylonians, and Greeks, Carthage, secure in her distance and solitude, rose to be the chief trading-city of the world. By deg, though the details are lost to us, she became mistress of all north Africa west of Egypt. The other Phoenician colonies became her subjects; their walls were torn down and they were made incapable of resistance. The merchant princes of Carthage were as cruel, as merciless, as they were powerful. Their fields were tilled by slaves in chains, sometimes one merchant held twenty thousand of the joyless wretches in this miserable bondage.

From:

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/publi...storya_ji.html

Maybe this will help :-/

Thanks for posting this, Jebivjetar; I somehow missed it before :S

I agree with Ludens, it sounds a wee bit "propagandist"; the bias is so thick you can almost taste it. Also, the italicised clause need not suggest that, as has been queried, Qart-Hadast denied her neighbours permanent defences—it can be taken to be a fruity sort of way of saying: "Carthage ferociously seized upon the other Phoenician colonies".

[Zarax]

Well, it's also true that many phoenician colonies weren't exactly hardcore loyalists of the carthaginian, the mercenary war shows many examples of cities not mobilizing against the rebellion and basically waiting to see who would get the upper hand... That costed them Sardina as the mercenaries were able to exploit this to call Rome's help against the nuragic tribes.