How history will view us...

**CountArach** · 05-09-2009, 12:44

Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

The discussion is utterly pointless. We will be viewed in history according to how the ruling political force at the time wants us to be viewed. After we are gone, we are completely at the mercy of future politicians, intellectuals, rights groups, religious groups, etc. If they choose to, we will be angels, or if they choose to, we will be devils. Truth rarely troubles historians and to this day most of what we believe about history is a construct created by social, political, and religious victors.

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(Except the bolded statement, to which I take great exception, being an aspiring historian...)

**Vuk** · 05-09-2009, 12:51

Originally Posted by CountArach

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(Except the bolded statement, to which I take great exception, being an aspiring historian...)

lol, this is a first ladies and gentlemen.

I am an aspiring historian myself, and I certainly appreciate it when historians don't let the ruling ideology and their own political, social, and religious views dictate their work, BUT, sadly that IS what happens most times. Sure, there are a lot of good historians out there who are not perfect, but try their best. On the other hand, most historians you read try to twist history to fit their views. History should define your views, your views should not define what you publish as history. Most historians do not get that though, which is why to this day it is nearly impossible to find out the truth about so maaany things.

EDIT: and don't get the wrong idea, I don't think that historians are for the most part a bunch of clandestine, conspiring wackos. They are just people so set in their ideas that they allow themselves to reconstruct history according to those ideas. They will overanalyze something, or take something waaay out of context to make it fit their ideas. They will make wild presumptions, and some will even make things up. People are people though, and nothing about it is going to change. The only thing that we can do is try to make it better by getting better historians in the field.

**rajpoot** · 05-09-2009, 13:06

History won't be able to view us, since we will all be killed by global warming.

Gloomy and grim, but nonetheless, seconded. No one's going to be around to judge us.

If anyone does survive, maybe they'll have to devote a lot more amount of time to study us and our single century than we do to study the last thousand years, since more has happened in the last hundred years than ever before.....many ideas have come and gone, many wars have been fought.....the world has changed drastically.

Far as historians are concerned, I think it's not just historians....all of us are more or less biased towards one or the other idea. It just can't be helped. No living being can be perfectly neutral about all things.

**Fragony** · 05-09-2009, 13:10

oh *** can we please get back to pig-flue and credit crisis global warming is too scary

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**Vuk** · 05-09-2009, 13:21

lol, to watch you guys seriously afraid and thinking that everyone will die of global warming...it is just too funny.

I got a feeling that years from now you are gonna be looking back and thinking to yourself: "was I ever really that silly?" :P
It reminds me of the swine flu hysteria, only much worse.
It is not global warming you have to look out for, it is a global war and it is coming fast...too fast.

**Incongruous** · 05-09-2009, 14:13

An age of ever expanding egotism and self obsession on the part of most Westerners, social history will be viewed as individuals trying to be themselves a little to hard, seriously, in my age group there is so much fakery I predict that people will soon start to collaps inwards as they try to find themselves, even more.

Just look at the sites like facebook and Myspace, so much ego you could slice it with a bread knife, heck even here on the org people are encouraged to become so self centered that they simply reply to posts with things like this

or some other off the cuff crap. I am one of 'em.

I think CR had it a while ago when talking about my age group, he posted a review of some new young adult/teen film which pretty much summed up how bollocks me and my generation really are.

Meh, time to sign the grumpy old bugger out.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 05-09-2009, 14:37

I second the above grumpy old bugger. I am sick of the values I've been spoon fed ever since I started secondary school, its all about furthering yourself, greed is good, me me me etc.

**Fragony** · 05-09-2009, 14:47

Must be you two. Live with a smile and life smiles back. I see nothing aparently, I see no increase in egoism, quite the opposite really. Fakery, no don't see that either. The english usually don't have to fake to be annoying. Maybe I live on a tiny little island where all things are fine but I really don't understand the pessimism. These are fabulous times if you ask me, everything has improved, count your blessings.

**Incongruous** · 05-09-2009, 14:56

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

I second the above grumpy old bugger. I am sick of the values I've been spoon fed ever since I started secondary school, its all about furthering yourself, greed is good, me me me etc.

It is not so much the greed is good part, its the general "whatever man", "be who you want to be" crap being over used in school and society. It seems to have created a generation of people whith chronically low self-esteem which leads to self obsession which leads to massive amounts of fakery and ego. Acting, is the prime game of life.