Trade, Tradepartners and Traderoutes

[Fisherking]

I find it odd that when one has an unobstructed land border, no enemy countries in position to block it, one cannot trade. I don't understand if it's just not working right or a feature. As Great Britain I hold Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and am on very friendly terms with the Iroquois, but can't trade with them. The 13 Colonies are still my protectorate till I take Quebec from the French. I can establish overseas trade with other nations, but not my neighbor.

Does a land-based trade route still have to go through a port?

I believe land routes run from city to city and from port to capital.

The only tribe I have ever seen trade is the Cherokee. I don’t thing the others can…but why I don’t know.


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Also, can anyone verify that they actually get money for pirating a trade route?

I have not been able to see any result. I could be looking wrong or something but I still don’t know.

It may cut the enemy but blockades are more effective than that. It was said that you get a portion of that trade, but it was also said that the AI would know when to use retreat…

So it could be another undocumented change.

[anweRU]

@ Hosakawa Tito: GB can't trade with the NA tribes, as they do not have ports. All trade has to go back to your capital region. So you cannot trade with the NA tribes, even if you have neighboring territories. Same goes for Mysore in India.

Concerning NA trading: I have seen both the Cherokee and the Iriquios trade with each other & (before the patch) with the 13 Colonies. Post-patch, you can still trade with them as the USA in RTI Chapter 4. I don't think the others trade, as they are usually hostile to/ at war with their neighbors.

@ Fisherking: Pirating an enemy trade lane definitely brings in the moolah. I am bringing in ~ 1600 gp raiding Swedish & Prussian trade lanes with a 9-ship stack outside of London. The income shows up under "Other".

[Darth Venom]

Also, can anyone verify that they actually get money for pirating a trade route?

I have not been able to see any result. I could be looking wrong or something but I still don’t know.

Just check your "other income" figure when you pirate. Everything above 3000 is pirated income. Close/reopen the screen to update the numbers when you move your ships around.

[Fisherking]

Just check your "other income" figure when you pirate. Everything above 3000 is pirated income. Close/reopen the screen to update the numbers when you move your ships around.

Is there a particular amount you usually receive pre ship like trade or is it more random?

[mmk]

Just check your "other income" figure when you pirate. Everything above 3000 is pirated income. Close/reopen the screen to update the numbers when you move your ships around.

Hi there.

I regularly have "other income" above 3000 without pirating but when I am protector. I thought the above 3000 is the income from protectorates?

[Darth Venom]

Hi there.

I regularly have "other income" above 3000 without pirating but when I am protector. I thought the above 3000 is the income from protectorates?

I guess it's both then

Is there a particular amount you usually receive pre ship like trade or is it more random?

From my observations it seems to be a percentage of the trade amount per ship.

[knoddy]

@ Hosakawa Tito - as others have stated I BELIEVE that the way NON HOME THEATRE trade works, is that any goods produced are shipped back to your home theatre and then exported out to your trade partners, therefore the only way you could trade with the Native American tribes would be if they had naval ports.

@mmk - its a known bug that some trade routes show up as the wrong thing, in my poland campaign i had all my trade routes coming up in my menu as land despite the fact that i had like +15k via my sea routes.

as for why your trade is less than what your lane says i have no idea, possibly a bug, possibly corruption or something.

@ the others - protectorate income also shows up in other i guess as well as pirating income.

im pretty sure the irish trade port is active in my GB camp ill have a look next time i load it up.

Cheers Knoddy

[Hosakawa Tito]

Thanks for in the insight! Another trade oddity in North America as GB:

The 13 Colonies are still my protectorate as I still need to conquer Quebec. I'm currently consolidating my recent conquest and destruction of the Cherokee. I hold Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas. I have a trade port in Georgia and some trade goods *cotton* from Carolina are being exported through the Georgia port, but none seem to be from my coffee plantation in Florida. There are wagons going from the Carolina capitol to the Georgia capitol & port, but none coming from the Florida capitol. Money is tight and I would have held off upgrading the Florida coffee plantation if I had known that I couldn't trade coffee till Florida developed its own port.

The Florida capitol shows that coffee is being exported, but no coffee is being traded to my trade partners. It's all rather confusing and difficult to make intelligent & timely economic decisions without more info on this.

[anweRU]

@ Hosakawa: Post-patch, the basic trade port can export only 30 bales worth of goods. So your port in Georgia is already occupied with its own export and the Carolina goods. You will need to upgrade the port to get more goods.

[LuxIrae]

Just check your "other income" figure when you pirate. Everything above 3000 is pirated income. Close/reopen the screen to update the numbers when you move your ships around.

Think this is partly true, butpretty sure that protectorate income also shows under other.

[aimlesswanderer]

When I raided the Mughals trade route with 3 separate fleets, 1 full stack, 2 ships and 1 ship something strange happened. I sent the big fleet in, and their income dropped from 2,500 to 1,000, but adding the 2 ship fleet it went up to 1,800, and adding the single ship it went to 2,000. Err, what? Very strange.