Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 131

Thread: Circumcision, yes or no?

  1. #1
    Clan Clan InsaneApache's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Grand Duchy of Yorkshire
    Posts
    8,631

    Default Circumcision, yes or no?

    Is it right to subject babies to multilation in this way? After all they have no say in the matter!

    I belive that circumcision is immoral and cruel. I move that we make circumcision prohibited unless there are compelling medical gounds.

    Over to you gentlemen.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

  2. #2
    Darkside Medic Senior Member rory_20_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Taplow, UK
    Posts
    8,439

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    It does reduce infection and cancer.

    there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
    Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
    "If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill

  3. #3
    Kanto Kanrei Member Marshal Murat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Eye of the Hurricane (FL)
    Posts
    3,372

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Hitler was circumcised. Jews aren't.

    You draw the conclusion.
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God

    "I agree, although I support China I support anyone discovering things for Science and humanity." - lenin96

    Re: Pursuit of happiness
    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

  4. #4

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    It does reduce infection and cancer.

    there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

    Hear hear.

  5. #5
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat View Post
    Hitler was circumcised. Jews aren't.

    You draw the conclusion.
    um, say again?

    by jewish law we are circumcised, like a conevant to G-d.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  6. #6
    Master of Few Words Senior Member KukriKhan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    10,415

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    It does reduce infection and cancer.

    there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

    I'll back the doc on this one.
    Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.

  7. #7
    Kanto Kanrei Member Marshal Murat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Eye of the Hurricane (FL)
    Posts
    3,372

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    by jewish law we are circumcised, like a conevant to G-d.
    I'm just going to say: EPIC FAIL
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God

    "I agree, although I support China I support anyone discovering things for Science and humanity." - lenin96

    Re: Pursuit of happiness
    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

  8. #8
    Oni Member Samurai Waki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Portland, Ore.
    Posts
    3,925
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Let the individual decide.

  9. #9
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    I'm just going to say: EPIC FAIL
    oh, jeez, dont be like Che. be respectful to other, please.
    Last edited by Hooahguy; 05-10-2009 at 23:41.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  10. #10
    Poll Smoker Senior Member CountArach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    9,029

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    I wish I had've been given the choice, yet my mother's Judaism took it from me. I really don't care that much, but there are times that I feel that religion has personally wronged me by taking away my free will.
    Last edited by CountArach; 05-10-2009 at 23:45.
    Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
    Quote Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
    Nothing established by violence and maintained by force, nothing that degrades humanity and is based on contempt for human personality, can endure.

  11. #11
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    I wish I had've been given the choice, yet my mother's Judaism took it from me. I really don't care that much, but there are times that I feel that religion has personally wronged me by taking away my free will.
    well, thats from the perspective of a non-practicing jew.

    on another note:

    Quote Originally Posted by the Bible
    This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  12. #12
    Poll Smoker Senior Member CountArach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    9,029

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    well, thats from the perspective of a non-practicing jew.
    Yes... so why should I follow the biblical scripture?
    Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
    Quote Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
    Nothing established by violence and maintained by force, nothing that degrades humanity and is based on contempt for human personality, can endure.

  13. #13
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Yes... so why should I follow the biblical scripture?
    did i say you had to?

    im all for letting circumcision a choice, but banning it? nah.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  14. #14
    Poll Smoker Senior Member CountArach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    9,029

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    did i say you had to?
    No, so why quote it at me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    im all for letting circumcision a choice, but banning it? nah.
    Did I say it should be banned? It is a perfectly reasonable medical procedure.
    Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
    Quote Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
    Nothing established by violence and maintained by force, nothing that degrades humanity and is based on contempt for human personality, can endure.

  15. #15
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    actually i shouldve mentioned that i was aiming that Bible quote at Mashal Murat.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  16. #16
    Bureaucratically Efficient Senior Member TinCow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    13,729

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Yes. Snip it. Twice!


  17. #17
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    Yes. Snip it. Twice!
    i should sig that, but my sig is pretty full as it is.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  18. #18
    Kanto Kanrei Member Marshal Murat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Eye of the Hurricane (FL)
    Posts
    3,372

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Hooah, I've misposted. I meant to say, that I "epic failed" due to an incorrect post on my part. I wasn't saying that circumcision was an "epic fail". Does that clear it up?
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God

    "I agree, although I support China I support anyone discovering things for Science and humanity." - lenin96

    Re: Pursuit of happiness
    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

  19. #19
    Relentless Bughunter Senior Member FactionHeir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    8,115

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Female Circumcision = Female Genital Mutilation = Big Outrage
    Male Circumcision = encouraged

    Someone see the inequality?
    Want gunpowder, mongols, and timurids to appear when YOU do?
    Playing on a different timescale and never get to see the new world or just wanting to change your timescale?
    Click here to read the solution
    Annoyed at laggy battles? Check this thread out for your performance needs
    Got low fps during siege battles in particular? This tutorial is for you
    Want to play M2TW as a Vanilla experience minus many annoying bugs? Get VanillaMod Visit the forum Readme
    Need improved and faster 2H animations? Download this! (included in VanillaMod 0.93)

  20. #20
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Hooah, I've misposted. I meant to say, that I "epic failed" due to an incorrect post on my part. I wasn't saying that circumcision was an "epic fail". Does that clear it up?
    aha. thanks for the confirmation.

    also, wasnt it proven that cirumcision reduces the chance of infection?
    Last edited by Hooahguy; 05-11-2009 at 00:03.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  21. #21
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir View Post
    Female Circumcision = Female Genital Mutilation = Big Outrage
    Male Circumcision = encouraged

    Someone see the inequality?
    b/c female circumcision makes it very painful to have sex, or so i hear, while male circumcision has no painful effects on sex- at least for me.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  22. #22
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    It does reduce infection and cancer.
    Plus it's more hygenic and can reduce your chances of contracting an STD. If I have a son, the wife and I agree that we'll have him circumcised.

    there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.
    No good reason that it has to be, but I can think of good reasons why it should be- as an adult having stitches there would interfere with your life alot more than it would as an infant. Seriously, I don't think I have to spell it out- you've got stitches for 4-6 weeks.

    It's not a medical necessity- so leave it up to the parents. But, there are plenty of good reasons to have it done and few not to.
    Last edited by Xiahou; 05-11-2009 at 00:06.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  23. #23
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    i heard somewhere that muslims get it at age 8-13?
    glad we jews get it at 8 days old.
    Last edited by Hooahguy; 05-11-2009 at 00:07.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  24. #24
    Hope guides me Senior Member Hosakawa Tito's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Western New Yuck
    Posts
    7,914

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    Yes. Snip it. Twice!
    Heh, I remember doing that accidently as a young lad. Always wear tighty-whitey's with cut-off jeans when swimming, trust me on that one.

    I'd go with Doc Rory on the medical/sexual hygeine part, but I can't imagine voluntarily having it done as an adult.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    who'da thought such an itty-bitty piece of skin would be connected to every nerve in your body...
    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." *Jim Elliot*

  25. #25
    Relentless Bughunter Senior Member FactionHeir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    8,115

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    b/c female circumcision makes it very painful to have sex, or so i hear, while male circumcision has no painful effects on sex- at least for me.
    Only type III/IV. Type I and II do not close up the vagina and are pretty comparable to male circumcision.
    Last edited by FactionHeir; 05-11-2009 at 00:13.
    Want gunpowder, mongols, and timurids to appear when YOU do?
    Playing on a different timescale and never get to see the new world or just wanting to change your timescale?
    Click here to read the solution
    Annoyed at laggy battles? Check this thread out for your performance needs
    Got low fps during siege battles in particular? This tutorial is for you
    Want to play M2TW as a Vanilla experience minus many annoying bugs? Get VanillaMod Visit the forum Readme
    Need improved and faster 2H animations? Download this! (included in VanillaMod 0.93)

  26. #26
    Stranger in a strange land Moderator Hooahguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Swampville
    Posts
    11,413

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir View Post
    Only type III/IV. Type I and II do not close up the vagina and are pretty comparable to male circumcision.
    then im guessing that most people do not know that, like i did not know until just now, and think that all female circumcision is makes it painful.
    On the Path to the Streets of Gold: a Suebi AAR
    Visited:
    A man who casts no shadow has no soul.
    Hvil i fred HoreTore

  27. #27
    Ranting madman of the .org Senior Member Fly Shoot Champion, Helicopter Champion, Pedestrian Killer Champion, Sharpshooter Champion, NFS Underground Champion Rhyfelwyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    In a hopeless place with no future
    Posts
    8,646

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    It's not always a religious thing is it? I heard most male folks in the USA got it done.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

  28. #28
    Headless Senior Member Pannonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    7,475

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Is it right to subject babies to multilation in this way? After all they have no say in the matter!

    I belive that circumcision is immoral and cruel. I move that we make circumcision prohibited unless there are compelling medical gounds.

    Over to you gentlemen.
    Consenting adults are allowed to injure themselves, provided they are of sound enough mind to understand what they're doing. I'd say circumcision should fall under this. Children shouldn't be circumcised, for they are not yet responsible for their own welfare. Mentally handicapped adults shouldn't be circumcised, for they're not responsible enough to make these decisions either. Other than that, if an adult wants to be circumcised, it's their choice.

  29. #29
    Philologist Senior Member ajaxfetish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    2,132

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Where's Lemur? His genital-mutilation-thread spider sense must be out of whack for him not to be here yet.

    I'd say let parents decide, but I'd encourage a choice not to absent medical or religious grounds and suggest seriously considering and questioning the procedure even on the religious grounds. I won't have any sons (or daughters) of mine circumcised. And as for the widespread nature of male circumcision in the US, I understand that started as an attempt to inhibit masturbation. It's pretty much a cultural tradition now.

    Ajax

    "I do not yet know how chivalry will fare in these calamitous times of ours." --- Don Quixote
    "I have no words, my voice is in my sword." --- Shakespeare
    "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." --- Jack Handey

  30. #30
    Chieftain of the Pudding Race Member Evil_Maniac From Mars's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    6,407

    Default Re: Circumcision, yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Is it right to subject babies to multilation in this way? After all they have no say in the matter!

    I belive that circumcision is immoral and cruel. I move that we make circumcision prohibited unless there are compelling medical gounds.
    Generally agreed, though I would support it only being prohibited for those under the age of majority, and after eighteen you can have one for any reason you like.

Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO