Circumcision, yes or no?

[InsaneApache]

Is it right to subject babies to multilation in this way? After all they have no say in the matter!

I belive that circumcision is immoral and cruel. I move that we make circumcision prohibited unless there are compelling medical gounds.

Over to you gentlemen.

[rory_20_uk]

It does reduce infection and cancer.

there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

[Marshal Murat]

Hitler was circumcised. Jews aren't.

You draw the conclusion.

[Che Roriniho]

It does reduce infection and cancer.

there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

Hear hear.

[Hooahguy]

Hitler was circumcised. Jews aren't.

You draw the conclusion.

um, say again?

by jewish law we are circumcised, like a conevant to G-d.

[KukriKhan]

It does reduce infection and cancer.

there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

I'll back the doc on this one.

[Marshal Murat]

by jewish law we are circumcised, like a conevant to G-d.

I'm just going to say: EPIC FAIL

[Samurai Waki]

Let the individual decide.

[Hooahguy]

I'm just going to say: EPIC FAIL

oh, jeez, dont be like Che. be respectful to other, please.

[CountArach]

I wish I had've been given the choice, yet my mother's Judaism took it from me. I really don't care that much, but there are times that I feel that religion has personally wronged me by taking away my free will.

[Hooahguy]

I wish I had've been given the choice, yet my mother's Judaism took it from me. I really don't care that much, but there are times that I feel that religion has personally wronged me by taking away my free will.

well, thats from the perspective of a non-practicing jew.

on another note:

This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.

[CountArach]

well, thats from the perspective of a non-practicing jew.

Yes... so why should I follow the biblical scripture?

[Hooahguy]

Yes... so why should I follow the biblical scripture?

did i say you had to?

im all for letting circumcision a choice, but banning it? nah.

[CountArach]

did i say you had to?

No, so why quote it at me?

im all for letting circumcision a choice, but banning it? nah.

Did I say it should be banned? It is a perfectly reasonable medical procedure.

[Hooahguy]

actually i shouldve mentioned that i was aiming that Bible quote at Mashal Murat.

[TinCow]

Yes. Snip it. Twice!

[Hooahguy]

Yes. Snip it. Twice!

i should sig that, but my sig is pretty full as it is.

[Marshal Murat]

Hooah, I've misposted. I meant to say, that I "epic failed" due to an incorrect post on my part. I wasn't saying that circumcision was an "epic fail". Does that clear it up?

[FactionHeir]

Female Circumcision = Female Genital Mutilation = Big Outrage
Male Circumcision = encouraged

Someone see the inequality?

[Hooahguy]

Hooah, I've misposted. I meant to say, that I "epic failed" due to an incorrect post on my part. I wasn't saying that circumcision was an "epic fail". Does that clear it up?

aha. thanks for the confirmation.

also, wasnt it proven that cirumcision reduces the chance of infection?

[Hooahguy]

Female Circumcision = Female Genital Mutilation = Big Outrage
Male Circumcision = encouraged

Someone see the inequality?

b/c female circumcision makes it very painful to have sex, or so i hear, while male circumcision has no painful effects on sex- at least for me.

[Xiahou]

It does reduce infection and cancer.

Plus it's more hygenic and can reduce your chances of contracting an STD. If I have a son, the wife and I agree that we'll have him circumcised.

there's no reason that it has to be performed on children. So why not delay and let the individual decide.

No good reason that it has to be, but I can think of good reasons why it should be- as an adult having stitches there would interfere with your life alot more than it would as an infant. Seriously, I don't think I have to spell it out- you've got stitches for 4-6 weeks.

It's not a medical necessity- so leave it up to the parents. But, there are plenty of good reasons to have it done and few not to.

[Hooahguy]

i heard somewhere that muslims get it at age 8-13?
glad we jews get it at 8 days old.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Yes. Snip it. Twice!

Heh, I remember doing that accidently as a young lad. Always wear tighty-whitey's with cut-off jeans when swimming, trust me on that one.

I'd go with Doc Rory on the medical/sexual hygeine part, but I can't imagine voluntarily having it done as an adult.

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who'da thought such an itty-bitty piece of skin would be connected to every nerve in your body...

[FactionHeir]

b/c female circumcision makes it very painful to have sex, or so i hear, while male circumcision has no painful effects on sex- at least for me.

Only type III/IV. Type I and II do not close up the vagina and are pretty comparable to male circumcision.

[Hooahguy]

Only type III/IV. Type I and II do not close up the vagina and are pretty comparable to male circumcision.

then im guessing that most people do not know that, like i did not know until just now, and think that all female circumcision is makes it painful.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's not always a religious thing is it? I heard most male folks in the USA got it done.

[Pannonian]

Is it right to subject babies to multilation in this way? After all they have no say in the matter!

I belive that circumcision is immoral and cruel. I move that we make circumcision prohibited unless there are compelling medical gounds.

Over to you gentlemen.

Consenting adults are allowed to injure themselves, provided they are of sound enough mind to understand what they're doing. I'd say circumcision should fall under this. Children shouldn't be circumcised, for they are not yet responsible for their own welfare. Mentally handicapped adults shouldn't be circumcised, for they're not responsible enough to make these decisions either. Other than that, if an adult wants to be circumcised, it's their choice.

[ajaxfetish]

Where's Lemur? His genital-mutilation-thread spider sense must be out of whack for him not to be here yet.

I'd say let parents decide, but I'd encourage a choice not to absent medical or religious grounds and suggest seriously considering and questioning the procedure even on the religious grounds. I won't have any sons (or daughters) of mine circumcised. And as for the widespread nature of male circumcision in the US, I understand that started as an attempt to inhibit masturbation. It's pretty much a cultural tradition now.

Ajax

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Is it right to subject babies to multilation in this way? After all they have no say in the matter!

I belive that circumcision is immoral and cruel. I move that we make circumcision prohibited unless there are compelling medical gounds.

Generally agreed, though I would support it only being prohibited for those under the age of majority, and after eighteen you can have one for any reason you like.