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[Beskar]

Can't you just apply access to the backroom from User CP?

Oh, I did. Just never got a reply on it.

[Greyblades]

should China really have nukes??? (Greyblades you should make a DEFCON system....so this way...guys can't start nuking at the start....I would)

I was going to start coming up with rules after I had enough players but I can do that.

Well Hong Kong should be in British hands in 1980. As I understand it was leased to them for 99 years, and in 1997 (I think) it returned to Chinese control. Anyways, I don't think it is a major consideration for this game, although it makes a good point of contention for RP.

I'm going to have to look up what else Britain has dominion over but yes Hong Kong is British at the start, no matter how much china may wish otherwise.

If no one is taking it, I would love to have Japan.

If not, Taiwan or Korea is fine

Japan is yours.

Allright then I will take France.

We shall not be known as surrender monkeys for much longer.

Ok then France it is.

You foolish English pig dog to try your cooking is to lose all hope in humanity.Go back to your fish n chips whilst I have some lovely Cuisse de cochon de lait rôtie, purée de pommes; jus de cuisson.

your on the same side you know...

I just need 3 more players to be India, west Germany and Poland.

And before anyone comes up with any ideas about first turn surprise nuking I may not have a defcon system up yet but I know that most countries would shoot national leaders who tries to launch a nuke without provocation.

[Khazaar]

First off I think we need a BIG Disclaimer in the first post of this topic or I presume this will be closed, because we can´t avoid talking politics. We´re playing Countries after all...

WARNING THIS IS A 1980 WHAT IF SCENARIO, NONE OF THE VIEWS OR ACTIONS POSTED HERE ARE MENT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. THIS IS A PURELY SPECULATIVE SCENARIO, IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED BY COLD WAR POLITICS DO NOT CONTINUE AND CLOSE THIS TOPIC!!!

Another thing, as we play to represent countries there is no room for open insults, be diplomatic and insult the other without him noticing (if you can).

As for gamemechanics, a very simple rating system could be useful to gage the capabilities of your and other contries.
Maybe someting like this:

W. Germany (social Democratic State) (rating from 1-12, one beeing pathetic, twelve beeing superpower)

Military: 5 W. Germany was aware that it was a likely battlefield for the third world war. Aside from Allied troops Germany was one of the leading arms producers and developers. Beeing a democratic country with a faschist past has limited the maximum ammount of military buildup. The U.S.: has nukes stationed in W. Germany.

Economy: 10 W. Germany (like Japan) is one of the worlds biggest exporters and turned into a Financial powerhouse after WW2.

Political: 6, W. Germany is a member of NATO and the UNO.

Security: 5 W. Germany has a well structured Police and Inteligence Agency, democratic ethics and structures hinder it in increasing its security rating.

Stability: 9 W. Germany was very prosperous and its citizens had lots of freedoms. Only the threat of WW3 and subsequent possible nuclear warfare caused concern.

E. Germany (Communist State)

Military: 7 E. Germany has been built up by the U.S.S.R to be the buffer against capitalism. The whole state is set up to defend against it. U.S.S.R. troops (with stationed nukes) are also stationed in E. Germany.

Economy: 4 While beeing the most advanced Warsaw Pact state with good infrastructure and great industry in 1980 serious mismanagement has caused E.Germany to fail economically. The continuous armsbuildup has left the contry bankrupt.

Political: 4 E. Germany has started out as a puppet state of the U.S.S.R. and has never realized a lot of potential. It has a limited influence in Africa and middle East, mainly through Arms Deals and Military training. It is a member of the Warsaw Pact.

Security: 10 E. Germany was a policestate that controlled its people. A major ammount of funding went into security and espionage. Hardly anything happened without the Stateparty knowing about it.

Stability: 8 E. Germany is ridgidly contolled though Party, Police, Agencies and Military. It´s population is contolled but unhappy with the failing system. It´s stability rating would be critically lower without State contol.

These ratings were made as a Sample without too much research. Since we´re(I presume) not really aiming for a classical mafia game I´m not sure how useful the U.N. would be. Most likely the Nations with vetopowers would always block eachother...

[Greyblades]

These ratings were made as a Sample without too much research. Since we´re(I presume) not really aiming for a classical mafia game I´m not sure how useful the U.N. would be. Most likely the Nations with vetopowers would always block eachother...

This is not realy a mafia game so there wont realy be any special roles as such. Each player will be able to carry out espionage and sabotage each phase as well as attack other countries if so wished.

Heres a list of the only things you will need to realy keep track of.

1. The amount of military you have to swing around.
2. How quickly you can replenish any lost troops.
3. How effective you home guard is. (IE what bonus do you ge from militia when fighting at home)
4. How dependant on oil you are (and how much of a penalty you will recieve if your deprived of it).
5. How effective your secret services are .

An example of this would be that UK has less millitary resources than USSR but have a 25% bonus in espionage and sabotage and suffer less when deprived of oil..

[Jolt]

A little bit of historical information on Chinese leaderhsip:

In 1980 Mao was dead. Sorry AtPG. :P Deng Xiaoping is in charge and he loves to privatize everything he has his hands on (Which is practically everything)

A little bit information on China-British relations over Hong Kong:

When India invaded Portuguese India in 1961, SU Chairman, Kruschev declared that Mao should follow Nehru's example and get rid of China's last traces of colonialism (Hong Kong and Macau). Obviously, Mao would have followed Kruschev's advice and overran Macau and Hong Kong, but the British Government was swift in announcing in attempt of invasion of Hong Kong would be followed by a nuclear strike on China (Which since Britain had Nuclear Submarines, wasn't bluff at all). Having lost much of its prestige in the Suez Crisis, Britain wasn't going to lose face again was willing to nuke China to smithereens to protect its interests. Of course, Mao could easily overrun Macau, but then he'd lose face for only taking the territory of those who couldn't protect themselves, without attacking the other British enclave a few miles apart. Furthermore, not only was Portugal a founding member of NATO which could lead to trouble for China, but Portugal was also one of the closest allies of Britain, and British action in an eventual taking of Macau, even if Mao was willing to be known as a bully in the International Scene, was sketchy, and could lead to a British attack anyway.
Besides that, Portugal was the country where Maoism had its biggest influence, (Which was insignificantly small anyway) and attacking Portugal might lead to a disillusionment of many Maoists in Portugal eventually ending a possible spread of the ideology throughout Europe.

So, yeah. China was afraid of Britain in this issue.

If I can take Portugal, I'd be willing! I wouldn't have much of an International weight initially, but hey, at least I could challenge China in Portugal's last colony and with NATO help, defeat China and make China "The jewel of the Republic". Then with Portuguese leadership, China would be ushured into a new era of progress, and all Chinese would see the enlightment of Portugal, and declare themselves convict Portuguesemen, ready to expand the Portuguese empire to the rest of the world. In the end of the game, I shall have unified the world under my leadership.

[ULC]

If I can take Portugal, I'd be willing! I wouldn't have much of an International weight initially, but hey, at least I could challenge China in Portugal's last colony and with NATO help, defeat China and make China "The jewel of the Republic". Then with Portuguese leadership, China would be ushured into a new era of progress, and all Chinese would see the enlightment of Portugal, and declare themselves convict Portuguesemen, ready to expand the Portuguese empire to the rest of the world. In the end of the game, I shall have unified the world under my leadership.

That's the Spirit! Start small and grow big - prove to the world how much the underestimated the Portuguese

[Greyblades]

Ok then, seeing as the 5 choices thing went downhill, we're going to first come first serve. Portugal is Jolts country from this point on.