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[Beefy187]

sorry to say, but being a brit born chinese, i have to say that Taiwan is part of china (history is along the lines of civil war caused a bunch of chinese to move to taiwan, and the full chinese name for taiwan consists of the words china.)

Tibet has also been part of china for a looooong time, if i remember correctly, at least from the Song dynasty, maybe even before.

and please don't judge china from american and british television alone - china has done a lot to improve it's status and it just needs time to further improve itself. whilst there are always places that want to hinder china's improvement, just give them time.

Being half Chinese, I love the Chinese people as much as the Japanese.. But.

Taiwan is a country made up from the natives on that island and the National government of China who bailed to Taiwan when the Communist government rose to power.

If Taiwan is part of China, then America is part of Britain and Japan is still part of China.

And yes, we should go to the backroom for more discussions.

[Beskar]

I wish I could post in the backroom.

[Iskander 3.1]

Sorry I've been gone (and I'm too lazy to read every page of this). Have countries been assigned yet?

[TheFlax]

Sorry I've been gone (and I'm too lazy to read every page of this). Have countries been assigned yet?

Some of them have been, you can see the list here.

[Beefy187]

I wish I could post in the backroom.

Can't you just apply access to the backroom from User CP?

[Beskar]

Can't you just apply access to the backroom from User CP?

Oh, I did. Just never got a reply on it.

[Greyblades]

should China really have nukes??? (Greyblades you should make a DEFCON system....so this way...guys can't start nuking at the start....I would)

I was going to start coming up with rules after I had enough players but I can do that.

Well Hong Kong should be in British hands in 1980. As I understand it was leased to them for 99 years, and in 1997 (I think) it returned to Chinese control. Anyways, I don't think it is a major consideration for this game, although it makes a good point of contention for RP.

I'm going to have to look up what else Britain has dominion over but yes Hong Kong is British at the start, no matter how much china may wish otherwise.

If no one is taking it, I would love to have Japan.

If not, Taiwan or Korea is fine

Japan is yours.

Allright then I will take France.

We shall not be known as surrender monkeys for much longer.

Ok then France it is.

You foolish English pig dog to try your cooking is to lose all hope in humanity.Go back to your fish n chips whilst I have some lovely Cuisse de cochon de lait rôtie, purée de pommes; jus de cuisson.

your on the same side you know...

I just need 3 more players to be India, west Germany and Poland.

And before anyone comes up with any ideas about first turn surprise nuking I may not have a defcon system up yet but I know that most countries would shoot national leaders who tries to launch a nuke without provocation.

[taka]

and the US backs it.

the US backs the splitting of all countries :P

no more from me, back to hosting work

[Khazaar]

First off I think we need a BIG Disclaimer in the first post of this topic or I presume this will be closed, because we can´t avoid talking politics. We´re playing Countries after all...

WARNING THIS IS A 1980 WHAT IF SCENARIO, NONE OF THE VIEWS OR ACTIONS POSTED HERE ARE MENT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. THIS IS A PURELY SPECULATIVE SCENARIO, IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED BY COLD WAR POLITICS DO NOT CONTINUE AND CLOSE THIS TOPIC!!!

Another thing, as we play to represent countries there is no room for open insults, be diplomatic and insult the other without him noticing (if you can).

As for gamemechanics, a very simple rating system could be useful to gage the capabilities of your and other contries.
Maybe someting like this:

W. Germany (social Democratic State) (rating from 1-12, one beeing pathetic, twelve beeing superpower)

Military: 5 W. Germany was aware that it was a likely battlefield for the third world war. Aside from Allied troops Germany was one of the leading arms producers and developers. Beeing a democratic country with a faschist past has limited the maximum ammount of military buildup. The U.S.: has nukes stationed in W. Germany.

Economy: 10 W. Germany (like Japan) is one of the worlds biggest exporters and turned into a Financial powerhouse after WW2.

Political: 6, W. Germany is a member of NATO and the UNO.

Security: 5 W. Germany has a well structured Police and Inteligence Agency, democratic ethics and structures hinder it in increasing its security rating.

Stability: 9 W. Germany was very prosperous and its citizens had lots of freedoms. Only the threat of WW3 and subsequent possible nuclear warfare caused concern.

E. Germany (Communist State)

Military: 7 E. Germany has been built up by the U.S.S.R to be the buffer against capitalism. The whole state is set up to defend against it. U.S.S.R. troops (with stationed nukes) are also stationed in E. Germany.

Economy: 4 While beeing the most advanced Warsaw Pact state with good infrastructure and great industry in 1980 serious mismanagement has caused E.Germany to fail economically. The continuous armsbuildup has left the contry bankrupt.

Political: 4 E. Germany has started out as a puppet state of the U.S.S.R. and has never realized a lot of potential. It has a limited influence in Africa and middle East, mainly through Arms Deals and Military training. It is a member of the Warsaw Pact.

Security: 10 E. Germany was a policestate that controlled its people. A major ammount of funding went into security and espionage. Hardly anything happened without the Stateparty knowing about it.

Stability: 8 E. Germany is ridgidly contolled though Party, Police, Agencies and Military. It´s population is contolled but unhappy with the failing system. It´s stability rating would be critically lower without State contol.

These ratings were made as a Sample without too much research. Since we´re(I presume) not really aiming for a classical mafia game I´m not sure how useful the U.N. would be. Most likely the Nations with vetopowers would always block eachother...

[Greyblades]

These ratings were made as a Sample without too much research. Since we´re(I presume) not really aiming for a classical mafia game I´m not sure how useful the U.N. would be. Most likely the Nations with vetopowers would always block eachother...

This is not realy a mafia game so there wont realy be any special roles as such. Each player will be able to carry out espionage and sabotage each phase as well as attack other countries if so wished.

Heres a list of the only things you will need to realy keep track of.

1. The amount of military you have to swing around.
2. How quickly you can replenish any lost troops.
3. How effective you home guard is. (IE what bonus do you ge from militia when fighting at home)
4. How dependant on oil you are (and how much of a penalty you will recieve if your deprived of it).
5. How effective your secret services are .

An example of this would be that UK has less millitary resources than USSR but have a 25% bonus in espionage and sabotage and suffer less when deprived of oil..

[Jolt]

A little bit of historical information on Chinese leaderhsip:

In 1980 Mao was dead. Sorry AtPG. :P Deng Xiaoping is in charge and he loves to privatize everything he has his hands on (Which is practically everything)

A little bit information on China-British relations over Hong Kong:

When India invaded Portuguese India in 1961, SU Chairman, Kruschev declared that Mao should follow Nehru's example and get rid of China's last traces of colonialism (Hong Kong and Macau). Obviously, Mao would have followed Kruschev's advice and overran Macau and Hong Kong, but the British Government was swift in announcing in attempt of invasion of Hong Kong would be followed by a nuclear strike on China (Which since Britain had Nuclear Submarines, wasn't bluff at all). Having lost much of its prestige in the Suez Crisis, Britain wasn't going to lose face again was willing to nuke China to smithereens to protect its interests. Of course, Mao could easily overrun Macau, but then he'd lose face for only taking the territory of those who couldn't protect themselves, without attacking the other British enclave a few miles apart. Furthermore, not only was Portugal a founding member of NATO which could lead to trouble for China, but Portugal was also one of the closest allies of Britain, and British action in an eventual taking of Macau, even if Mao was willing to be known as a bully in the International Scene, was sketchy, and could lead to a British attack anyway.
Besides that, Portugal was the country where Maoism had its biggest influence, (Which was insignificantly small anyway) and attacking Portugal might lead to a disillusionment of many Maoists in Portugal eventually ending a possible spread of the ideology throughout Europe.

So, yeah. China was afraid of Britain in this issue.

If I can take Portugal, I'd be willing! I wouldn't have much of an International weight initially, but hey, at least I could challenge China in Portugal's last colony and with NATO help, defeat China and make China "The jewel of the Republic". Then with Portuguese leadership, China would be ushured into a new era of progress, and all Chinese would see the enlightment of Portugal, and declare themselves convict Portuguesemen, ready to expand the Portuguese empire to the rest of the world. In the end of the game, I shall have unified the world under my leadership.

[ULC]

If I can take Portugal, I'd be willing! I wouldn't have much of an International weight initially, but hey, at least I could challenge China in Portugal's last colony and with NATO help, defeat China and make China "The jewel of the Republic". Then with Portuguese leadership, China would be ushured into a new era of progress, and all Chinese would see the enlightment of Portugal, and declare themselves convict Portuguesemen, ready to expand the Portuguese empire to the rest of the world. In the end of the game, I shall have unified the world under my leadership.

That's the Spirit! Start small and grow big - prove to the world how much the underestimated the Portuguese

[Greyblades]

Ok then, seeing as the 5 choices thing went downhill, we're going to first come first serve. Portugal is Jolts country from this point on.

[TheFlax]

I'd really wish someone would take India, being Pakistan is not as fun if I don't have someone to bicker with constantly.

[ULC]

I'd really wish someone would take India, being Pakistan is not as fun is I don't have someone to bicker with constantly.

Lucky you - EVERYONE hates me

[Iskander 3.1]

Lucky you - EVERYONE hates me

Everyone? I don't think he signed up for this...

[Greyblades]

I needed a USA and he was the only one who had any interest in it.

[Zim]

I'd be willing to take India, or Mexico if that would work better.

[Greyblades]

I would rather have you india at this point than mexico, if you dont mind.

[Zim]

That's fine with me. I had initially been thinking somewhere in Latin America when I first saw the thread, since that's where my specialty at my university was, but looking at the scenario and seeing we have a Pakistan already it occurred to me India might work better for the game.

India did their first nuclear weapon test well before 1980, didn't they? Would that make them a nuclear power in the terms of the game?

[Iskander 3.1]

India tested a "peaceful nuclear explosive" (for damming, mining, etc.) in 1974 but didn't test any nuclear weapons until 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_a...ss_destruction

Can Texas have "nucular" weapons in this game? Please?

(edit: the url was shortened to "ass destruction":)

[Greyblades]

^Somehow I think peaceful nukes are easy to use as war nukes.
@Zim: Yes, though weak one in terms of the amount of nukes they had in comparison to the other nuclear countries.

[Iskander 3.1]

Not as easy as you may think. For one, the bomb was made with material designed only for power generation, so the destruction level wasn't that great (estimated to be 12 kt, compared to 15 kt at Hiroshima). Second, India relied on technology and material imported from Canada to make that bomb, and Canada cut off supplies after the bomb was tested.

[ULC]

Wow TF and Zim, will you ever stop picking opposite sides of the fence

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

this map pretty accurately shows Britain overseas territories. the major one has to be the Falkland islands. the Falkland war took place in 1982.


the antarctic territory is really only loosely under British control, because well its Antarctica... plus Hong Kong isn't shown here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

(edit: the url was shortened to "ass destruction":)

I do believe that if a nuke was dropped in the vicinity, it would most definitely cause its destruction. You can pretty much kiss it goodbye. So it is both accurate and hilarious.

[ULC]

Forewarning to all - I have helped Greyblades with some rules and will help him with keeping track of statistics for this game

Fear me

[Greyblades]

Yes, YLC is now the guy helping me with keeping track of the numbers. I'm tempted to have the military force scale to be 1 point per bullet.

[ULC]

Yes, YLC is now the guy helping me with keeping track of the numbers. I'm tempted to have the military force scale to be per bullet.

[Greyblades]