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[Cultured Drizzt fan]

so if we want to we could switch alliances, I don't have to stay in NATO if I don't want to? if I was so inclined I could just go Socialist and shack up with the USSR? (Not that I would, just wondering) this should be fun, its time to regain the British Empire!

[Greyblades]

I doubt that the USSR will give you much help seeing as Britain and Russia have been on and off rivals for about 2 centuries.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I know that, just speaking hypothetically.

[Greyblades]

You could but it would be pretty suicidal to go against the USA without help and there will allmost definitely be a rebellion against going communist.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ok just wanted to know, I don't plan on doing it. the Brits will never surrender their freedom!!!! just wanted to know If I have to watch my allies closely.

[Greyblades]

The direct nato and warsaw factions most likely wont switch sides, if they did their old superpower ally would probably kick their head in. But the other nations on the other hand have greater freedom with this.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I should probably just wait for the rules, it will probably answer any questions I have....

[Iskander 3.1]

I doubt that the USSR will give you much help seeing as Britain and Russia have been on and off rivals for about 2 centuries.

Ah, the Great Game...19th Century Cold War!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

how Ironic I end up on the opposite side of a conflict with Iskander! Finally I shall have vengeance!

[Jolt]

You could but it would be pretty suicidal to go against the USA without help and there will allmost definitely be a rebellion against going communist.

He'd have Portuguese help! So far as going communist, then we'd just help the USA mop up the British and gain a few islands here and there to restore our national empire.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

you would go against one of your oldest and truest allies!! what is this blasphemy! don't worry Portugal, you shall have Britain's full support in most matters (especially concerning China)

[Iskander 3.1]

so if we want to we could switch alliances, I don't have to stay in NATO if I don't want to? if I was so inclined I could just go Socialist and shack up with the USSR? (Not that I would, just wondering) this should be fun, its time to regain the British Empire!

First it's your wife, and now you want to shack up with me too?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah so I can murder you in your sleep obviously. with nukes of course.
believe me the chances of Britain becoming Socialist is as much as me not finding some way to screw up every plan you make.

[Beskar]

Actually, it wasn't impossible in the 1980's. Labour party was still socialist then. Unfortunately, you have Maggie Thatcher destroying the economy.

[ULC]

He'd have Portuguese help! So far as going communist, then we'd just help the USA mop up the British and gain a few islands here and there to restore our national empire.

Glad I can count on the Portuguese

Any specific trade deals you wish to work out now, loyal ally?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

dang it, that means I am going to fail at messing with Iskanders plan.......

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

why does everyone take me asking a question as I sign I want to betray everyone..... I mean sure there was that one time in WotB but come on!

Britain will stand by the USA and its other allies. end of story.

[Iskander 3.1]

You don't even know what my plan is! Well ok, it's world domination, but I guess that's obvious.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

with the USSR its ALWAYS world domination......

[TheFlax]

My question is twofold.

First, how does the economy work? Money being the sinews of war and all that. And second, YLC mentioned trade, how would that work? In 1980 we have, much like today, a globalized economy and trade of specific things is not handled by the government, but by the market. (Communist countries need not apply ) So apart from military equipment, money and technology, there's isn't much people can trade. Governments can encourage or discourage trade of certain items with tariffs or deny trade with sanctions, but can't do much more.

Sorry for the long winded question.

[A Very Super Market]

Obviously, we print more money, so we get richer. Foolproof!

[Greyblades]

I'm going to deflect that question to YLC seeing as he's the one who's going to be keeping track of trade.

[ULC]

My question is twofold.

First, how does the economy work? Money being the sinews of war and all that. And second, YLC mentioned trade, how would that work? In 1980 we have, much like today, a globalized economy and trade of specific things is not handled by the government, but by the market. (Communist countries need not apply ) So apart from military equipment, money and technology, there's isn't much people can trade. Governments can encourage or discourage trade of certain items with tariffs or deny trade with sanctions, but can't do much more.

Sorry for the long winded question.

I will let Greyblades explain the trade and economy system, although I have some clue as to how it will work - just know that you want trade partners, and a lot of them, to secure your position in the world.

No trade partners means no growth.

Also, just a hint for now - their are multiple ways to win, one is economic, one is military, one is ???

I'll leave you to guess what the last one is, but it has to do with the trade system

[Greyblades]

To think that this started out as a simple game of forum chicken...

[ULC]

Ummm..okay, seems I am answering the trade question

Trade is handled in the "goods" sense and monetary sense.

When you trade with a country, you have 1 of two options - trade for their "good" or trade for their money/goods.

Trading for the "good" provides a static benefit. For instance, both Germanies have the "good" High Quality*. This means for either Germany, and anyone they see fit to trade their "good" with, any action they take has reduced penalties and their military replenishes and is more efficient - a basic, overall boost to everything they do (were covering military and economy here, so hold yer horses on the "But!").

However, trading for the "good" gives you no economic benefit.

Trading for money/goods nets you a benefit to your country depending on who has a stronger cultural rating and government type - the more capitalistic your nation, the greater your income will be but the more subject it will be to change. More Communist, the less you will receive, but the more stable it will be (this is for gameplay balance, not actually subject to reality ). The more culturally dominate you are, the more money you gain as well.

However, you do not gain any of the benefits of that trade partners "good".

Culture - that is the final Victory you can have. the following is the basic Culture rules.

You have (10) cultural exchange points. When you trade with someone, you may also automatically trade CE points, any amount you choose - so long as they are your trade partner, they do not get a say in how much. Every turn, it will add up, until it reaches 100 points, at which point it essentially has become an extension of you and a permanent ally, netting you the ability to gain the "good" and economic benefits. Thus, be careful whom you trade with.

At the start of the year, a vague report will be given to each player on their current culture, notifying them if it is being subverted.

CE points are further disseminated through allies. If your allies have further trade partners that you are not already trading with, then they will receive half of the CE points, rounded up.

At anytime, to counter cultural change, you may -
1. Spend CE points to counter it. CE points spent on countering count for triple their value.
2. Conduct a mission by your agencies to stop the flow of CE - this way costs nothing but only works for one turn, limiting your Espionage and Sabotage attempts.
3. Sever trade with the country. This stops the flow of CE, and the CE will go down at 1 point per turn.

In the case of a conflict, the country will fall into civil war - it will be up to the player of the country to decide whether he will play those culturally subverted, or play as the nationalists from then on.

I am still working on solidifying the rules and numbers, so please be patient. I still have military, technology, basic "Home" economy to deal with, and Espionage and Sabotage to try and figure out.

If Greyblades hasn't a system already

*subject to interpretation

[ULC]

Ugh, weird - double post

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

this sounds awesome........

[Jolt]

Glad I can count on the Portuguese

Any specific trade deals you wish to work out now, loyal ally?

Of course! I wish to trade your vast amounts of oil, steel, grain, manganese, fats, platinum lastest edge weaponry and machinery, and two dozens of nuclear Inter-Continental Ballistic Misilles along with ballistic and nuclear technology make my country self sufficient in that issue - for my high quality non-metallic minerals such as marble or calcium, prized for your magnanimous statues you intend to build to honor glorious communism, besides highly valuable military-industrial strategic resources being those uranium and phosphate. Sounds fair no? I can forsee great things for us! Portugal takes on the leading role in the world with the USSR as its mighty sidekick. With Portugal leading the world, who is to stop us?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I can trade Tea!!!!!
nobody want any tea? come on you all like it!

wait a second Portugal is a commie?

[A Very Super Market]

I will take your goods, then trade them back to you! :D