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[ULC]

My question is twofold.

First, how does the economy work? Money being the sinews of war and all that. And second, YLC mentioned trade, how would that work? In 1980 we have, much like today, a globalized economy and trade of specific things is not handled by the government, but by the market. (Communist countries need not apply ) So apart from military equipment, money and technology, there's isn't much people can trade. Governments can encourage or discourage trade of certain items with tariffs or deny trade with sanctions, but can't do much more.

Sorry for the long winded question.

I will let Greyblades explain the trade and economy system, although I have some clue as to how it will work - just know that you want trade partners, and a lot of them, to secure your position in the world.

No trade partners means no growth.

Also, just a hint for now - their are multiple ways to win, one is economic, one is military, one is ???

I'll leave you to guess what the last one is, but it has to do with the trade system

[Greyblades]

To think that this started out as a simple game of forum chicken...

[ULC]

Ummm..okay, seems I am answering the trade question

Trade is handled in the "goods" sense and monetary sense.

When you trade with a country, you have 1 of two options - trade for their "good" or trade for their money/goods.

Trading for the "good" provides a static benefit. For instance, both Germanies have the "good" High Quality*. This means for either Germany, and anyone they see fit to trade their "good" with, any action they take has reduced penalties and their military replenishes and is more efficient - a basic, overall boost to everything they do (were covering military and economy here, so hold yer horses on the "But!").

However, trading for the "good" gives you no economic benefit.

Trading for money/goods nets you a benefit to your country depending on who has a stronger cultural rating and government type - the more capitalistic your nation, the greater your income will be but the more subject it will be to change. More Communist, the less you will receive, but the more stable it will be (this is for gameplay balance, not actually subject to reality ). The more culturally dominate you are, the more money you gain as well.

However, you do not gain any of the benefits of that trade partners "good".

Culture - that is the final Victory you can have. the following is the basic Culture rules.

You have (10) cultural exchange points. When you trade with someone, you may also automatically trade CE points, any amount you choose - so long as they are your trade partner, they do not get a say in how much. Every turn, it will add up, until it reaches 100 points, at which point it essentially has become an extension of you and a permanent ally, netting you the ability to gain the "good" and economic benefits. Thus, be careful whom you trade with.

At the start of the year, a vague report will be given to each player on their current culture, notifying them if it is being subverted.

CE points are further disseminated through allies. If your allies have further trade partners that you are not already trading with, then they will receive half of the CE points, rounded up.

At anytime, to counter cultural change, you may -
1. Spend CE points to counter it. CE points spent on countering count for triple their value.
2. Conduct a mission by your agencies to stop the flow of CE - this way costs nothing but only works for one turn, limiting your Espionage and Sabotage attempts.
3. Sever trade with the country. This stops the flow of CE, and the CE will go down at 1 point per turn.

In the case of a conflict, the country will fall into civil war - it will be up to the player of the country to decide whether he will play those culturally subverted, or play as the nationalists from then on.

I am still working on solidifying the rules and numbers, so please be patient. I still have military, technology, basic "Home" economy to deal with, and Espionage and Sabotage to try and figure out.

If Greyblades hasn't a system already

*subject to interpretation

[ULC]

Ugh, weird - double post

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

this sounds awesome........

[Greyblades]

If Greyblades hasn't a system already

I don't.
I had origionaly planned that this would be a military/political game with each player as war leaders with the economy sorting itself out while the players had fun. Mainly I didn't have it originally because an economy would mean tripling the workload and I would have less less fun doing write ups and comparing tactics to see who wins. I don't know why but making inventive write ups seems more fun to me than actually playing Mafia.

Although seeing as he's put so much thought into it I guess that we can put it in there. But your sorting it out!

[ULC]

I don't.
I had originally planned that this would be a military game with each player as war leaders with the economy sorting itself out while the players had fun. Mainly I didn't have it originally because an economy would mean tripling the workload and I would have less less fun doing write ups and comparing tactics to see who wins. I don't know why but making inventive write ups seems more fun to me than actually playing Mafia.

Although seeing as he's put so much thought into it I guess that we can put it in there. But your sorting it out!

Bah, good practice for my more indepth and longer running game

Greyblades, you can handle everything after it goes through my numbers crunching - I am the machine, you are the interpreter.

Of course, you will have to handle the Espionage and Sabotage numbers and orders - being a player means I shouldn't know about what I shouldn't know.

[Greyblades]

That is a given.

Hmph, seems that my PC is needing yet again a new motherboad because I forgot to vacuume the fans and a piece of metal (dont know what) got in and damaged the innards. Sorry if I cant have the map finalised until next week but I dont want to risk this damn fedora laptop exploding from trying to run photoshop.

[Jolt]

Of course Portugal is not communist? How could a country that was always based upon and instigated the high disparity of social and economical differences among its population ever become communist? It is against us! Our poor would never do anything to the rich! It has always been so! How could we change anything?

In any case, I shall trade with the USSR or any other country on those fair trade deals. Vast amount of resources for us for our moral support (Which is the best thing you could ever get in the entire world) and some important resources.

Curiously, not only does Britain produce little to no tea (It consumes it. Doesn't produce it. It'd be the same as saying that the USA could export large amounts of oil, just become they consume large amounts of it), but tea was introduced by who? (English Queen of the Portuguese Royal House - Catarina/Catherine de Bragança) Hehe, it always comes back to us.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am going to stop talking before I succeed in alienating all of my allies.
(I know Britain doesn't produce tea, but I wasn't sure what Britain's good would be soooooo yeah.)

I wasnt sure why you were talking about the USSR as your trading partner when YLC is the USA.

[ULC]

Of course Portugal is not communist? How could a country that was always based upon and instigated the high disparity of social and economical differences among its population ever become communist? It is against us! Our poor would never do anything to the rich! It has always been so! How could we change anything?

In any case, I shall trade with the USSR or any other country on those fair trade deals. Vast amount of resources for us for our moral support (Which is the best thing you could ever get in the entire world) and some important resources.

Curiously, not only does Britain produce little to no tea (It consumes it. Doesn't produce it. It'd be the same as saying that the USA could export large amounts of oil, just become they consume large amounts of it), but tea was introduced by who? (English Queen of the Portuguese Royal House - Catarina/Catherine de Bragança) Hehe, it always comes back to us.

The US does export large amounts of oil...and it produces enough to satisfy 2/3rds of the USA's needs. We do in fact, export it, and if I am not mistaken, to countries where they end up getting raided by Somalians...

I can't disclose each persons Trade Good unless they specifically do so themselves, I mean I am not sure if I should - I am still working on one for each country. This is going to sound stupid, but does anyone have a current list of those taken?