Quote Originally Posted by Brenus
Freedom was flooding the world in 1989.

Then the Right Wing Nationalists started Ethnic cleansing in Europe.
Very well to point out that 1989 was not the end of history. I do, as always, disagree with your take on Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was always the most liberal, economically most developed part of European communism. Their system wasn't a card house that could fall down one moment from the next. However, 1989 did show the Yugo communists that their time was up. Simmerring subcurrents in Yugoslavia re-surfaced, and took over. Nationalism, regionalism, ancient strife. The narrative changed. 1989 marked the six hundred anniversary of Serbian struggle against the 'Turks'. This led to 'Bosnia'.
For all the faults you can point out in other countries, Serbian aggressive nationalism had a clear autonomous cause.


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Quote Originally Posted by Godwin
Socialism is nazism is communism.
This shows a lack of precision of historical and political terminology.

It is also not very relevant.


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Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
Because the greens are cryptofascists, and have been all along. Anti-liberal, anti-progress, anti-rational, anti-human. Fortuyn's murderer was only the first full-blown killer that this cabal has produced.
I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more, Adrian.

The killer thought it was 1933 and that he had to stop Hitler. See, for example, the 'Irish theocracy' thread, where Brenus argues that nazis must be prevented from gaining power, and I myself went so far as to say that there must a standing order to shoot nazis at sight. This is the mindset of the killer. Prevent nazism by force.

The second ingredient is the left's sabre-rattling and demonisation of Fortuyn, This caused many people to see Fortuyn as a nazi. Thus the obligation the killer felt to murder Fortuyn.

Fragony understands Dutch society better than you. ( ) Fortuyn was murdered by the left.

The killer just happened to be an animal rights activist. An ecoterrorist indeed, but environmental concerns were not an issue to Fortuyn. Nor to the killer's decision to shoot Fortuyn.
To say otherwise is nothing but cluelessness by a left that refuses to see its responsibility, a left that simply can not conceive of itself as sometimes anti-liberal, anti-progress, anti-rational, anti-human.

When a Nascar-loving American shoots a doctor at an abortion clinic, is he better described as a Nascar-terrorist or is it the result of Christian extremist agitation? When an animal loving Dutchman shoots a rightwing politician, is he better described as an ecoterrorist or as the result of leftist extremist agitation?