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    It was Brenus who called him a communist, not me.” Last time I try irony, I swear to God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus
    Last time I try irony, I swear to God.
    I feel your pain. Irony seems to be out of vogue suddenly. Did they put something in the .org water since I took my temporary leave?
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    and without a doubt not Serbia
    Serbia is actually to most multi-cultural/ethnic state in the Balkan.
    You had few forced expulsion of minorities in Serbia during the war, but they were not due the State/Milosevic. I vaguely remember one village of Croats expelled by the paramilitaries of Seselj, but that was it.

    I know, it is not what medias transmitted but…

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    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    and without a doubt not Serbia
    Serbia is actually to most multi-cultural/ethnic state in the Balkan.
    You had few forced expulsion of minorities in Serbia during the war, but they were not due the State/Milosevic. I vaguely remember one village of Croats expelled by the paramilitaries of Seselj, but that was it.

    I know, it is not what medias transmitted but…

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    You misunderstand me. I was not saying that it is not ethnically diverse or that it treats people within its borders poorly. I was not saying anything bad about Serbia, simply that the Serbs I know and have read about place a very high importance on being 'Serbian', speaking Serbian, and Serbian culture. (with the exception of Sarmatian whose views on that I do not know)
    I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that, a government is needed to protect peoples' rights, and there needs to be something that makes the people feel united. There is nothing wrong with that being language, culture, ethnicity, etc. (sure, problems can stem from it, but there is nothing inherently wrong with it) Korea is a great example of that. To be Korean is to be of Korean blood, speak Korean, and live like a Korean. That does not mean there is anything at all wrong with Korea.

    I was simply saying though that it is not like that in the US. It is something else that makes us support the government and feel like a nation, and that is the ideal of America.
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    American patriotism is a very different kettle of fish from the nationalism we know in Europe, and so I wouldn't really compare them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    American patriotism is a very different kettle of fish from the nationalism we know in Europe, and so I wouldn't really compare them.
    My point exactly.
    And as such, American rightwing ideology is really devoid of nationalism (unlike the left and right wings of some European countries), so it is not fair to say that nationalism is part of the rightwing when we are talking about American rightwing (the ONLY true righwing )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again View Post
    My point exactly.
    And as such, American rightwing ideology is really devoid of nationalism (unlike the left and right wings of some European countries), so it is not fair to say that nationalism is part of the rightwing when we are talking about American rightwing (the ONLY true righwing )
    That's fair enough, but the USA is a unique case. Nationalism was very much present in Nazi Germany as we were discussing. And it wasn't just an undercurrent like in the USSR, it was a central part of the ideology (though I know Stalin practically made it official, it wasn't part of the original Marxist take).
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    You misunderstand me” Yes I did.
    Ok, I will crash on the next US aircraft carrier I see…
    Last edited by Brenus; 05-20-2009 at 21:51.
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    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Ok, I will crash on the next US aircraft carrier I see
    lol, WTH!? :P
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