Mini Mafia V- [Concluded]

**Death is yonder** · 05-25-2009, 10:06

Well, seems I'm late. Held back by teacher for project update...

TheFlax, you say I have a higher possibility of mafia than Beskar. Why, that implies that Beskar has a possibility too.

@Beskar

I referred to voting myself if both of you are scum, as that will mean that I AM lynched, not you. Go look at Treehouse of Horror's last round. I frankly thought our best bet then with 1 townie, 1 SK and 1 mafia godfather was to lynch the townie and have the SK and Mafia "kill each other", theoratically having a draw. Pizza though, stated post game that that would have resulted in a host victory. So, I pmed pizza on the same thing and he said that a host victory in a game so small would be lame. So I went forward with that possibility and now all of you vote for me?

I came to my own conclusion that there are, many killers by round 2, by virtue of my vigilante profession. Maybe if I omitted that it was a silver bullet, Beskar would not have been so eager to agree with me.

Think about it, a killer on the town's side has revealed himself, then he states he had a silver bullet only. Would a killer not benefit from gaining his trust? Another killer would be less hesitant to side with the vigilante, lest he kills him out of suspicion? Would that not be so?

So Beskar, at the dawn of this mexican standoff you voted someone quickly, waited for a townie to side with you in the last round, then knowing that you are the last killer that you would vote for the likely innocent who has voted with you, and hoping that the other person would have a retaliatory vote??

A rather cunning strategy Beskar, if you see my earlier post, I had my suspicions, which is why I said I would FoS you.

Additionally if you take a look, does not

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

That looks awfully to me like a mafia's knee jerk reaction, hoping that the last few minutes that the other person has on would not be able to convince the other remaining townie to side with him. So instead, you vote for me now and pray for the wonders of retaliatory votes and the desire to survive.

I voted for TheFlax as I wanted his input on the matter. As you know, final round lynches require much debate on all sides. It was purely subject to changing based on all inputs.

As such,
Unvote: TheFlax
Vote:Beskar

Nice try, but I'll probably die laughing at the sheer WIFOMness of this entire last round

Oh Edit:: Beskar has evidently nicely changed his vote once TheFlax has voiced his suspicion. Notice that Beskar moves along nicely changing votes like tissue paper. Hopping on the people that have a vote are we?

No.1 Beskar hops votes and hopes for allies in voting.
No.2 Beskar seems convinced that the game is over and unlike any good townie who will stick around to see if the person he sided with is possibly mafia, he resigns himself to whatever fate he has chosen. I could exaggerate and say he is inwardly celebrating right now that TheFlax is convinced of my guilt and thus, he should not pay attention to me now.
No.3 I voted TheFlax to simply see your reaction, if you had resigned it to yourself such as right now, I would have quickly changed my vote and voted on you due to No.2 Reasoning.
No.4 If you read through all of this you would likely realize that Beskar has only resigned himself to voting for a person when the person he SIDES WITH seems totally convinced that the other is scum and thus, votes and likely will not change.
When I voted for TheFlax, it was a rather ambiguous vote, Beskar likely thought that I was a liability and might change my votes as it was not the type of vote you make that is conclusive.

@TheFlax, it is alright for voting me =). If you didn't vote the person who did a kill I would call you a lazy townie.

Just wondering if you will see the merits of my argument with like 40 mins to spare.

Oh pizza, good game.

**Death is yonder** · 05-25-2009, 10:24

Eh pizza, maybe you should end the game now. I resigned myself to my fate. Woe is it when one is not trusted.

Seeing as TheFlax hasn't been on for like 3 hours, with the same kind of "Game over, lets make our argument and vote him together, before scooting before he is back to defend himself"

Whether I'm mafia or simply a townie. I would advise you to discard this behavior in future games... it is rather unfair to those in different time zones. Heck I'm not even in Europe or America. The closest people nearby are like Beefy and Taka.

Maybe I should just vote for myself, seeing as both of you would just lynch me as if a fire and forget nuke, that IS rather scummy behavior if I will say so myself.

@TheFlax: Why is voting the vigilante suicidal. It WOULD BE suicidal if you didn't question the vigilante claimer.

Note that some of the above is not related to this game and is simply some advice for the next games

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Awfully disappointing game for me, the last round involves the other 2 members in the game not staying for the discussion to the final few minutes. Heck, not even the last hour

. So convinced of a person's guilt. This is a rather detrimental attitude for future games

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At least in Treehouse of Horror where I would vote before I sleep and be back after the lynches gave AMPLE time frames for the other people to either listen to me or even the accused make their case. Here? The analogy lies below

Artillery Commander:"Load the shells and prepare to fire!"
Artillery Crew:"But sir! We haven't been given orders!"
Artillery Commander:"You do as I'm told or I'll court martial you for insubordination"
Artillery Crew:"Yes sir" *grumble* *Loads shell*

**Death is yonder** · 05-25-2009, 10:44

This just made me seriously laugh out loud when I considered its irony in regards to this game and Beskar

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

This is quoting TheFlax

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=790

Oh Sheer Irony

**Beskar** · 05-25-2009, 10:46

Originally Posted by Death is yonder

This just made me seriously laugh out loud when I considered its irony in regards to this game and Beskar

This is quoting TheFlax

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=790

Oh Sheer Irony

I vote switched once. Which I gave the reason for.

The vote switch was a legit exercise, also, you vote switched yourself, wouldn't that make you scum with your own reasoning?

**Beskar** · 05-25-2009, 10:45

Originally Posted by Death is yonder

Awfully disappointing game for me, the last round involves the other 2 members in the game not staying for the discussion to the final few minutes. Heck, not even the last hour

. So convinced of a person's guilt. This is a rather detrimental attitude for future games

.

I am here and I replied. Don't fire all those WIFOM's rays out at us all.

**Death is yonder** · 05-25-2009, 10:46

Beskar, I was referring to

Beskar: Vote DIY
TheFlax: Vote DIY
DIY: Vote DIY

Final result: DIY dies, 2 killers remaining. Draw.

Edit: If this is not clear enough, I did not refer to TYING IT UP

**Beskar** · 05-25-2009, 10:50

If the game ends up in the Draw with no one winning because you believe me and TheFlax to be mafia, then isn't that best for the federation in your opinion?

If so, why not do that and allow the federation to win the game? Or is it the case that you are not federation, thus hoping for TheFlax to vote switch himself in order to save you, a mafia member and preventing the federation from actually winning.

**Death is yonder** · 05-25-2009, 10:56

Oh lol, it was a theory.

I merely elaborated further now as you gunned for me with that invalid point.

Edit:Game ends in 1 minute. Nice Job People

**Beskar** · 05-25-2009, 10:58

Oh, as a tip. If you wanted to pose as a pro-town role, you could have, Pizzaguy gave an opportunity for you to do. Instead of saying you purposely tried to kill the Captain, like you said you did. After all, if you was pro-town, why did you purposely choose the captain to kill?

You should have said you had a protection role and you prevented Kirk from killing another player, thus, this would make you look clean.

However, you admitted for purposely targeting Captain Kirk then feign shock and surprise that he was actually a bad guy!

**Beskar** · 05-25-2009, 10:42

Originally Posted by Death is yonder

I came to my own conclusion that there are, many killers by round 2, by virtue of my vigilante profession. Maybe if I omitted that it was a silver bullet, Beskar would not have been so eager to agree with me.

Because you killed during a tie, so did a killer. Therefore, it must be a killer thing to kill during a tie. If there was another tie, it would be a case the killer could strike again, therefore, if you created a tie, you (the killer) could kill us off.

That looks awfully to me like a mafia's knee jerk reaction, hoping that the last few minutes that the other person has on would not be able to convince the other remaining townie to side with him. So instead, you vote for me now and pray for the wonders of retaliatory votes and the desire to survive.

Not the case, TheFlax has a habit of vote changing last second/voting last second. It was an obvious reference to that. If anything, I could have simply kept my vote the same, he would have died, and if I was the bad person, I would simply win. No need for me to actually change my vote at all, if I was bad. So me not changing my vote at all would be the scummy action.

You are just now planning your strategy to turn TheFlax against me, in order to survive. It is a desperate measure from a Mafia member.

Beskar has evidently nicely changed his vote once TheFlax has voiced his suspicion. Notice that Beskar moves along nicely changing votes like tissue paper. Hopping on the people that have a vote are we?

Nope, I thought TheFlax was going to target me regardless and as I said, I didn't have much evidence, it could be the case you are both serial killers, how am I to actually know? However, you can kill during ties and you saying you wanted another tie does look suspicious. It is also the fact Starfleet only kill in defence/war, they don't go around murdering people, so your explanation to why you could go and murder some one seems very faulty.

No.1 Beskar hops votes and hopes for allies in voting.

Yes, because I did this a total of zero times in the entire game. Sticking with my vote as I had an ally anyway and the fact TheFlax was voting for you, means I wasn't even a target. However, you could be a liability since your kill ability works in a tie and if the game was tied, you could kill again and win the game, game to the killers. So by changing vote, all I done if prevent a possible Mafia victory from a tie.

On another note, I voted first, and you allied to my vote. Wouldn't that be you wanting allies in voting? If you was so uncertain, wouldn't have you voted for Abstain till later?

No.2 Beskar seems convinced that the game is over and unlike any good townie who will stick around to see if the person he sided with is possibly mafia, he resigns himself to whatever fate he has chosen. I could exaggerate and say he is inwardly celebrating right now that TheFlax is convinced of my guilt and thus, he should not pay attention to me now.

Because I thought the game might possibly be over, but it wasn't, presuming you was a good guy and AVSM was the final monster. However, with you gunning for a tie-off, the fact you could do a night phase kill and the fact TheFlax seemed serious with his vote, I felt I could trust him as he seemed to have the same suspicions as myself. The only thing I would have gained with changing vote is preventing you from causing a tie-off, where you could do another night kill.

No.4 If you read through all of this you would likely realize that Beskar has only resigned himself to voting for a person when the person he SIDES WITH seems totally convinced that the other is scum and thus, votes and likely will not change.

Yeah, I obviously did that through the game. Please state where I did this? Wasn't it I that voted for AVSM first and it was actually TheFlax who then voted along with me? Are you trying to imply TheFlax is actually now the scum too?

Beskar likely thought that I was a liability and might change my votes as it was not the type of vote you make that is conclusive.

Because if you change it to a tie, and you can kill, you could very will be a serial killer and both me and TheFlax would be dead and you the winner.

However, with no tie, you can't do any mafia night kills.