Catholic Church in deeep water.

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Just to keep the bases covered, and before PizzaGuy responds, as I'm certain he will, let me ask this question, old friend:

You decry, in depth and ad infinitum in the Police Abuses thread, the misdeeds of law enforcers who abuse their authority and hurt people, AND their cohorts and superiors - indeed, the entire judicial system - for complicity in those abuses by people acting under color of authority. The "Blue Wall" if you will.

And yet, similar abusive behavior, by members of clergy, and subsequent coverups by their superiors - a "Black Wall", if you will - merits a mere shrug, and a claim that 'we're working on it, and you don't know what you're talking about, cuz you're not in the group'?

Sorry mate, you can't have it both ways. Abuse of power is abuse of power. Whether it's someone charged with saving our skin, or someone charged with saving our souls.

I'm with you on most issues, and I had to grit my teeth and sthu at your display in the Police thread, because I have no come-back for the volume of abuse you cite there. It's wrong, and we gotta fix it, quick.

To me, it's the same here: wrong has been done. People have been damaged. Fixing is imperative. Religion be damned. Exemptions be damned. Find and prosecute the damagers, and those who covered it up. Understanding the concept of "forgiveness" is irrelevant to my government's obligation to protect its citizens from abuse.

In my personal opinion.

Bollox there is only a shrug of the shoulders, that viewpoint is endemic of having nothing to do with real Catholics and instead the card board cut out nutters society has come to expect.

"its wrong and we gotta fix it quick" probably sums the view of every fellow Catholic I know on the issue of child abuse, that includes my Priets.

You are saying exactly what most Catholics are saying, you know we are human, much as it must pain you to know it.

You simply fail to see this because you have nothing to do with the community and are ignorant on its positions.