Re: Emerging faction idea
Hmm... this was using 1 slot as waste... but this Judean faction will be better represented if we pick them at the start as Seleucid's Protectorate... (And then rebelled as Baktria)
Perhaps Hooahguy can help us...
According to Wikipedia:
That means that we couldn't use Maccabeid family as the Starting FM's (But then, we could use script to spawn them, and use "Teutonic"ish republican system instead)The Maccabees (Hebrew: מכבים or מקבים, Makabim or Maqabim; Greek Μακκαβαῖοι, /makav'εï/) were a Jewish national liberation movement that fought for and won independence from Antiochus IV Epiphanes of the Hellenistic Seleucid dynasty, who was succeeded by his infant son Antiochus V Eupator. The Maccabees founded the Hasmonean royal dynasty and established Jewish independence in the Hasmonean Kingdom for about one hundred years, from 164 BCE to 63 BCE.
So, we can start out their favor with seleucid low, and give them tendency to lean into Ptolemaic side... Or, we could simply use "Forbidden Warning" for Seleukid Players, that they shouldn't build ANY TEMPLE.. in the area near Hierosolyma (Jerusalem), Tsidon, and Gaza... or The Jews will rebel, and allied themself with Ptolemies...Judea in the 2nd century BCE lay between Egypt and the Seleucid empire, states descended from the break up of Alexander the Great’s Greek empire. Since the rule of Alexander in 336-323 BCE, a process of Hellenization had spread through the near East. When Antiochus IV Epiphanes (ca. 215–164 BCE), became ruler of the Seleucid Empire in 175 BCE, Hellenizing Jews had been long-established in Judea. They had built a gymnasium, competed internationally in Greek games, "removed their marks of circumcision and repudiated the holy covenant". (1 Maccabees, i, 15. See also Antinomianism in the Books of the Maccabees).
Conflict over the appointment of the High Priest and corruption contributed to the causes of the Maccabean Revolt. The High Priest in Jerusalem was Onias III. His brother Jason, who favoured the Seleucids, bribed Antiochus to make him High Priest instead. Antiochus was insensitive to the views of religious Jews and treated the High Priest as a political appointee and one from which money could be made.
Menelaus (who was not even a member of the Levite priestly family), then bribed Antiochus and was appointed High Priest in place of Jason. Menelaus had Onias assassinated. His brother Lysimachus took holy vessels from the Temple, causing riots and the thief's death at the hands of the rioters. Menelaus was arrested and arraigned before Antiochus, but he bribed his way out of trouble. Jason subsequently drove out Menelaus and became High Priest again. Antiochus sacked the Temple and re-installed Menelaus.
From this point onwards, Antiochus pursued a Hellenizing policy with zeal. This effectively meant banning traditional Jewish religious practice. In 167 BCE Jewish sacrifice was forbidden, sabbaths and feasts were banned and circumcision was outlawed. Altars to Greek gods were set up and animals prohibited to Jews were sacrificed on them. The Olympian Zeus was placed on the altar of the Temple. Possession of Jewish scriptures was made a capital offence. The king's motives are unclear. He may have been incensed at the overthrow of his appointee, Menelaus,[1] he may have been responding to a Jewish revolt that had drawn on the Temple and the Torah for its strength, or he may have been encouraged by a group of radical Hellenizers among the Jews.[2]
Ptolemies should got the same message too... they shouldn't build ANY TEMPLE in this 3 province, or the Jews will Rebel...
That Judean faction should have perhaps some units that resembling a crossbreed between ambushing tactics (like the Iberians), and perhaps some hellenistic phalanx for holding the line, but they shouldn't get any pezhetairoi and up... (Klerouchikoi Phalangitai and Pantodapoi is ok)The Revolt
After Antiochus issued his decrees forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean sparked the revolt against the Seleucid Empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. Mattathias killed a Hellenistic Jew who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias' place. He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judea. After Mattathias' death about one year later in 166 BCE, his son Judah Maccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty in guerrilla warfare, which at first was directed against Jewish collaborators, of whom there were many. The Maccabees destroyed pagan altars in the villages, circumcised children and forced Jews into outlawry.[2] The term Maccabees as used to describe the Judean's army is taken from its actual use as Judah's surname.
The revolt itself involved many individual battles, in which the Maccabean forces gained infamy among the Syrian army for their use of guerrilla tactics. After the victory, the Maccabees entered Jerusalem in triumph and ritually cleansed the Temple, reestablishing traditional Jewish worship there and installing Jonathan Maccabee as high priest. A large Syrian army was sent to quash the revolt, but returned to Syria on the death of Antiochus IV. Its commander Lysias, preoccupied with internal Syrian affairs, agreed to a political compromise that restored religious freedom.
The Jewish festival of Hanukkah celebrates Judah Maccabee's victory over the Seleucids and associated events that Jews regard as miraculous.
That means that the Jewish FM's should have some "Disloyal effect" therefore forcing the player to grow a high authority Faction Leader...Maccabean rule
Following the re-dedication of the temple, the supporters of the Maccabees were divided over the question of whether to continue fighting or not. When the revolt began under the leadership of Mattathias, it was seen, in the view of the author of the First Book of Maccabees, as a war for religious freedom to end the oppression of the Seleucids. However, as the Maccabees realized how successful they had been, many wanted to continue the revolt and conquer other lands with Jewish populations or to convert their peoples. This policy exacerbated the divide between the Pharisees and Sadducees under later Hasmonean monarchs such as Alexander Jannaeus.[3] Those who sought the continuation of the war were led by Judah Maccabee.
On his death in battle in 160 BCE, Judah was succeeded as army commander by his younger brother, Jonathan, who was already High Priest. Jonathan made treaties with various foreign states, causing further dissent between those who merely desired religious freedom and those who sought greater power.
In 142 BCE Jonathan was assassinated by Diodotus Tryphon, a pretender to the Seleucid throne, and was succeeded by Simon Maccabee, the last remaining son of Mattathias. Simon gave support to Demetrius II Nicator, the Seleucid king, and in return Demetrius exempted the Judeans from tribute. Simon conquered the port of Joppa and the fortress of Gezer and expelled the garrison from the Acra in Jerusalem. In 140 BCE, he was recognised by an assembly of the priests, leaders and elders as high priest, military commander and ruler of Judea. Their decree became the basis of the Hasmonean kingdom. Shortly after, the Roman senate renewed its alliance with the Hasmonean kingdom and commanded its allies in the eastern Mediterranean to do so also. Although the Maccabees won autonomy, Judea remained a province of the Seleucid empire and Simon was required to provide troops to Antiochus VII Sidetes, the brother of Demetrius II. When Simon refused to give up the territory he had conquered, Antiochus took them by force.
Simon was murdered in 134 BCE by his son-in-law Ptolemy, and succeeded as high priest and king by his son John Hyrcanus I. Antiochus conquered the entire district of Judea, but refrained from attacking the Temple or interfering with Jewish observances. Judea was freed from Seleucid rule on the death of Antiochus in 129 BCE.[2]
Judean autonomy lasted until 63 BCE, when the Roman general Pompey captured Jerusalem and subjected Judea to Roman rule, while the Hasmonean dynasty itself ended in 37 BCE when the Idumean Herod the Great became king of Judea[1] and king of the Jews[4][2].
The story of the Maccabees can be found in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles in the deuterocanonical books of 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees. Books of 3 Maccabees and 4 Maccabees are not directly related to the Maccabees. The books are not part of the Hebrew Bible.
The Proposed Army
Infantry:
-> Iudaioi Taxeis : Their primary rank and file units, as well as their lowest unit in their native MIC, their recruitment could be more widespread (or even ties only to building), so they could support more army...
-> Pantodapoi Phalangitai: They use this phalanx army for self defense against diadochian Phalanx army, for some of them must be observed diadochian drill...
-> Klerouchikoi Phalangitai: Enrolled from the Hellenistic Jews as well, they provide better phalanx army for the Jews... (at least they didn't get slaughtered wholesale against argyraspides)
-> Bnei Shevet Aravim: Well, the jews must allready used some tribal Arab levies as mercs, and javelinmen against phalanx force.
-> Aithiophikoi Machairophoroi: this unit info directly implied that some ethiophian are Jews, Ethiophian swordsmen will give them a swordsmen unit
-> Hanaatim Kushim: this was implied as Ethiophian spearmen, some are jews too..
-> Aithiophikoi Toxotai: Ethiophian archers..... Jes got more AOR for Ethiophian troops
-> Giusim Aravim Tsophonim: Arabian archer-spearmen are always handy
-> Nizagan-i Eranshar: When the jews exiled in babylon, no doubt they will value this light troops that comprises bulk of the Persian army
-> Kardaka Arthenshar: This was a good Persian troops... recruitable in eastern side of maps, when they conquer them...
-> Shipri Tukul: Better version of the Persian influenced men... could be recruited in Hierosolyma because their description implies they fought in Persian influenced nature, not persian themself...
-> Iudaioi Sphendonitai: Supperior version of slingers... In the Bible, the Jews has a really good sling troops, so perhaps they could be used..
-> Iudaioi Zealots: A really tough melee infantry, only lightly armoured, and carry just swords... but they should have frightening abilities and 2 Hp like Gaesatae... Call them Gaesatae in proper clothing...
-> Galatikoi Kluddolon: These Galatian troops are recruitable too...
-> Qalaim Aravim: Inferior version of slingers, drawn from Arabs
-> Gund-i Palta: Well, what about this troops?
-> Misteret Ezrahim.... Maybe you'll ask, why I propose this Kart-Hadast militia? Maybe they should be renamed as "Semitic Militia Hoplites?"
-> Toxotai Syriakoi: they are lived near them, why don't use them?
-> Thureophoroi: Well, there was lot of Hellenic influence here
-> Machimoi: Egyptians could easily join Jewish religion
-> Machimoi Phalangitai: same reason
-> Machimoi Pelekephoroi: Assault infantry made of Egyptians wielding axes (Viva mummy returns Vanilla axemen....)
->perhaps this was too much?
Cavalry:
-> Parasim Ezrahim Ponnim: Recruitable in Tsidon
-> Aithiophikoi Hippeis: Ethiophian in cavalry version...
-> Machimoi Hippeis: Egyptian in cavalry version...
-> Asiatikoi Hippeis
-> Asabaran-i Madean
-> Maybe some sort of Chariot archers (name them Merkava): Chariots are often mentioned in the Bible
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-> Pilei Yaar Libim: Well, they should got acess for this Elephant
Bodyguards:
-> Zealot Bodyguards: 40 men 2 Hp Freaks....but if u mind their over strength
-> Cavalry BG, perhaps Iudaioi Strategoi? (use Somatophylakes strategou model?), or Chariot BGs
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They should start with 1 settlement, Jerusalem, and had a fairly small, but tough army of Zealots...
Perhaps this may help...
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Re: Emerging faction idea
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