What suggested faction should be in EBII

[AttilaDerHunn]

really for Syracuse to work efficiently Sicily must be expanded to say 6 settlements or more to represent how important that region is for all the factions involved and to increase the projected yield per say

[DionCaesar]

I think Celtiberia is a very nice faction, because it's an outstanding addition to north eastern Spain. This way, Lusotania won't be OP, and, if you play Romans or Gauls or even Karthadastim you can count on some difficulties in obtaining that area. Besides, the Celtiberian culture was rather advanced in for example weapons. Those weapons were copied by other civs and used all over the European continent.

[A Very Super Market]

Everyone should really read the other threads in the forum about certain factions being put into place. Simply posting a poll, or responding with quiet one-sentence agreements will not convince anybody.

[APX]

Pardon my ignorance, but why does everyone want Syrakousai as a new faction? What contributions to the game does a small unruly city-state have to offer compared to the other possible factions?

[Ibrahim]

Pardon my ignorance, but why does everyone want Syrakousai as a new faction? What contributions to the game does a small unruly city-state have to offer compared to the other possible factions?

more fun on Sicily I guess..

[Tanit]

Pardon my ignorance, but why does everyone want Syrakousai as a new faction? What contributions to the game does a small unruly city-state have to offer compared to the other possible factions?

Since you asked, I will pardon your ignorance.

Syracuse was one of the largest and most impressive Greek cities of this era. It was on the list of the most impressive Greek cities together with Pergamon and Alexandria. Just prior to the EB time frame Syracuse controlled colonies and territories in southern Italy, Illyria, Cyrene and on a number of islands. Italy withstood multiple Carthaginian invasions over a long period of time while the two wars between Rome and Carthage nearly destroyed Rome. Agathocles even invaded North Africa and threatened to conquer Carthage had his African allies not switched sides. Syracuse regularly controlled 2/3 of Italy and only recently lost control of their Northern territories to the Mammertines. Syracuse was a center of learning and culture with a number of impressive monumental structures including fortresses and temples. It was the home of one of history's greatest minds, Archimedes (who is 15 in 272 btw). Syracuse was capable of operating under a number of different governments from its typical oligarchy to a tyranny or a kingdom as occurred under Hiero, who was himself under the patronage of Pyrrhus, having been one of his generals. Syracuse's assistance in the first Punic war was what assured Roman victory as several times the Carthaginians came close to victory by disrupting Roman supply lines only for Syracuse to step in with supplies and troops. Syracuse was the home of the invention of the Gastraphetes and other siege weapons which lead to a dynamic evolution of siege warfare in the mediterranean. Although the current EB1 Greek cultures are west Greek and East Greek, this is inaccurate as the western Greeks were really the colonies west of Greece, of which Syracuse is the most powerful and influential in our time frame. Without the politics of Syracuse the Punic wars would not have started the way they did, and may not have ended the way they did.

[Cute Wolf]

At least... we can tell, what factions that most of the orgah's want to be in EB II..... this is why i say this thread is useful...

@APX
Syracuse was selected because most people wants it rise again... if you tell that's Syracuse getting crashed to the ground soon with Roman troops.... You should look Epeiros.... Pyrhhos historically dies in 272 BC, and kingdom of Epeiros was destroyed... sooner than Syracuse...

[Alsatia]

Pyrhhos dies in 272BC...


LOL. Historically, you can only have fun with him for 1 - 3 turns.

[Cyclops]

I would love the Mauryans in but I see its highly unlikely. Maybe they could be given Iberian culture (on the same premise that Saba and Lussotannan share regional MIC's) that there is very little potential cross-over. Anyway thats more of a whim on my part. I am super impressed with all the decuisons so far in EB2, I just can't wait to see the final slots filled.

... Syracuse regularly controlled 2/3 of Italy ...

I think you mean 2/3 of Sicly? Just a typo I guess. I can't diminish the force of your case, your argument is very sound and I reckon Syracuse is a strong proposal for a faction.

[Sabazios]

I would like a Cyrene faction, wich also includes Crete and maybe even a city on the Cyclade islands (Thera?).

[zurab]

Voted for Colkhis but there must me Caucasian Iberia instead. C.I. was a kingdom then. And Colchis partialy was a province of Pontus and partialy of Caucasian Iberia. Pontus's part of Colchis then to become Rome province, and only in 200-300 years Colkhis will establish a new independent Kingdom - Lazika or Egrisi

[bobbin]

Yeah i also voted for Colchis as Kartli wasn't there.

ps looks like we can take numdians off the list.

[lionhard]

Nubia - for a start because EB could use a new faction in that area, it would also add a much needed southernly located faction with different unit properties as seen before.

Bosporian Kingdom - This faction would have been added to EB1 if their was space, this has to feature full stop

Nabatea - Seems to have a historic foot step and would be a nice add to that area.

Numidia - Doesnt need to be explianed, more than enough space for this faction

[Mediolanicus]

1.Nubia - for a start because EB could use a new faction in that area, it would also add a much needed southernly located faction with different unit properties as seen before.

2.Bosporian Kingdom - This faction would have been added to EB1 if their was space, this has to feature full stop

3.Nabatea - Seems to have a historic foot step and would be a nice add to that area.

4.Numidia - Doesnt need to be explianed, more than enough space for this faction

1. Can't be done unless someone finds a way to open up more culture slots.

2. Agreed.

3. I doubt the historical importance of Nabateia, but I'd like to see an extra faction in that area too.

4. It's already in EBII.

[lionhard]

Question for u, is their the same amount of factions in EB2 as EB1 or more?

[Foot]

Question for u, is their the same amount of factions in EB2 as EB1 or more?

As stated in the FAQ and numerous threads, MTW2 offers us 10 new faction slots in addition to the 20 that we have in EBI. EBII will thus have 30 playable factions, the majority of which will be the factions you know and love however. We aren't going to go and change all the factions from EBI, of course!

Foot

[Andronikos]

Nabatea - seems interesting, would make that area more crowded,
some Germanic tribe (voted for Boii despite being not Germanic) to make life tough for Sweboz,
Basternae to fill that area,
Belgae, but I would like to see them starting both on mainland and British isles.

[Fluvius Camillus]

WHERE ARE THE BATAVIANS I WANT TO REPRESENT HOLLAND!!!

Now for the controlled part

I voted:

1. Marcomanni - can fill the power vacuüm in central Europe and another independent tribe.

2. Bosphoran Kingdom - Great culture mix and starting position.

3. Syrakousai - Quite an important city, challenging starting position, posessed Archimedes.

4. Nubia - I always loved Nile campaigns, sadly the numerous Ptoly fullstacks made me change my mind, perhaps this help me to like it again.

~Fluvius

[antisocialmunky]

4. Nubia - I always loved Nile campaigns, sadly the numerous Ptoly fullstacks made me change my mind, perhaps this help me to like it again.

~Fluvius

Poor Saba needs another faction to beat on it?

[Moros]

Poor Saba needs another faction to beat on it?

Actually Saba don't do so badly at all. They usually conquer and hold on to the whole of Arabia. Which is much more than they did historically. And sometimes they can even hold on to a couple big cities like damascus or Antioch.

[Cyclops]

So if I am following the updates correctly there is 10 slots, with 2 filled by Pergi and the Numidians.

Now there was a hint about a Nomad faction which I am assuming is Numidia and was there a hint of another occultis Hellenistic faction? So we have 8 slots left, one of which is probably another Greek faction (and I'd put the Acropolis on it being Syracuse).

My guess would be we'll see some more holes filled, eg the Mittel Europa gap (1 or 2) the steppe vacuum (1), and maybe some balancing in Spain (1 or 2). Remember this is Europa Barbarorum.

Round out with a Caucasian/iranian crossover in Iberia or Atropatene and we have one slot left for my beloved Mauryan satraps with their lovely elephant generals (and culture limit problems solved..somehow..please).

... the numerous Ptoly fullstacks ...

That would be an awesome alt-rock band.

Alternately an EB period NBA franchise based in Alexandria, to go up against the Seleucea Grey Deaths and the Arretium Spammed Triarii.

[bobbin]

Don't know if another hellenistic/greek faction has been hinted at, all we've got is a occultus Thureophoroi skin but that doesn't mean squat as everyone can recruit them.

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?

[antisocialmunky]

I suspect that the second Occultus Greek unit set belongs to a hellenic bosphoran kingdom or something.

[Bucefalo]

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?

Maybe it is a subliminal message, he shows the occultus faction disguised as green parthians... so either the occultus faction are Yuehzi (who where green in EB I) or i´m seeing things

EB members are really unpredictable indeeed, you never know to what they´re up to

[Tellos Athenaios]

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?

No. When time comes torment will probably resume as usual. I think the meaning of the new signature becomes fairly obvious when you look at the recent events in Iran.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

No. When time comes torment will probably resume as usual. I think the meaning of the new signature becomes fairly obvious when you look at the recent events in Iran.

Ah, I wondered myself...

Really sad that the Iranians have to live under such an idiotic system. But anyway, no politics in this thread, but green looks better than pink anyway...

[Moros]

ps Moros whats up with the weird green sig, have you finally tired of tormenting us with the "occultus" madness?

Never!

[bobbin]

Can't say much for the system in my country right now but it doesn't really compare. Here they just steal money not votes.

Never!

Thats the spirit!

[Phalanx300]

WHERE ARE THE BATAVIANS I WANT TO REPRESENT HOLLAND!!!

Hell yeah! Though the best representation right now is the Chatii, since we Dutch are for the biggest part Frankish people they fit the bill best (even with Batavians in probably).

[Ibrahim]

bah! I don't care about the a3ajim, I just want more homies*.


*arabianz!!