SS 6.2 Hotseat at the org

[Redemption]

Hello all!

Some (very few) of you might know me from the Commanders of the Faithful hotseat which, by the way, kicks ass. Well, that great game makes me hope that another such awesome hotseat is possible using another very good mod for M2TW - Stainless Steel 6.2.

Yes I know, it requires Kingdoms. But when you see the difference between SS4 and SS6, you can never go back!

Here are the files you need:

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SS6.0 Part 1
SS6.0 Part 2
SS6.1 Patch
SS6.2 Patch
Hotseat Patch 1.1

In patch 6.1 DO NOT SELECT ANY OPTIONS.

A lot of interest has been shown in this hotseat, but to make it great we could still use another 2 or 3 players. The Kingdom of Poland, Lithuania, the Kievan Rus, the Republic of Novgorod would be especially interesting to this game's balance.


Tentative Player/Faction List:

Republic of Venice - TheFlax
Kingdom of England - Cultured Drizzt fan
The Byzantine Empire - rouroux
Holy Roman Empire - Asinus Asini
Kingdom of Hungary - phonicsmonkey
Crown of Aragon - Ignoramus
Fatimid Caliphate - Merlox
Seljuk Empire - barcamartin
Kingdom of France - Redemption
Moors - Ramses II CP

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Test Game
Could everyone please try to load this game to verify that your game version is up to date and functional.

[TheFlax]

I'm in my friend and my first choice would be Republic of Genoa. Though I can take one of the more important factions if needed.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I would be interested, (if I can get stainless steel to fit on my computer that is, its getting quite cramped... )
I would like England

[phonicsmonkey]

I might join in if there are spaces left after my exam on the 7th June. I have two constraints - hard drive space (I don't have Kingdoms installed right now because of this), and time (my six-month old).

But I have long thought that if CotF finished up I'd start a Stainless Steel hotseat, so I'm extremely tempted.

[rouroux]

And so I'll choose the Byzantine Empire. By the way, long time no see Flax! I'm looking forward to this!

[Redemption]

I might join in if there are spaces left after my exam on the 7th June. I have two constraints - hard drive space (I don't have Kingdoms installed right now because of this), and time (my six-month old).

But I have long thought that if CotF finished up I'd start a Stainless Steel hotseat, so I'm extremely tempted.

Well CoF clearly won't be over for... another 6 months to a year (I blame rossahh. If he'd died fast as I foolishly expected, I'd be on my way to victory! Now we're in peace negociations for some sort of status quo).

But I would love to have you in this hotseat! Great action all around!

I would be interested, (if I can get stainless steel to fit on my computer that is, its getting quite cramped... )
I would like England

Hope you can manage it. SS6 looks like one of the best mods for a hotseat the like we're having in CotF but for that we need experienced players!

[Asinus Asini]

Count me but I'll have to sort out some things because I am a bit newbie and I'll have to install the game or play at a friend's place. I could grab the Holy Roman Empire.

[Redemption]

Well if phonicsmonkey and Cultured Drizzt fan can make it, as well as another friend of mine, that means we'd only need 5 more to have a map that's inhabited all around. Lets hope more people answer soon!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I can probably do it, downloading the mod now. things should work out, though I have never tried to do a M2TW hot seat before, so you never know...

edit: OK I have it up and running I am all set! just one possible problem, I think my game has a bug, whenever I use my keyboard the game will put up the cheat menu and game options, and then reload a previous save game. I have had to live with this bug for a few years and I can go around it, but I am not sure how it will be affected by playing a hotseat.

[Merlox]

Good friends of the .org

I wish to join this game, Though, I wish to reccomend you the newer hotfix for 6.2 and the Hotseat community Fix's for Balancing purposes in the 6.2 version.

There are a slight few problems that we in the twcenter have came across and fixed in 6.2

Our hotseat patch contains-

-All factions are now able to build forts. (6.2 does not allow forts, our hotseat patch allows forts)

- Crusade / Jihad movements can be decreased. (The current is 2.5x movement from the regular army, At the start of the game we could change that 2.5# to 1.5, or such, making it much more balanced and fair.)

- No dead settlement patch. (No settlement will be left under 1000 population to avoid "Dead Settlements" that hurt the hotseat games.

- Better and balanced economies.

- the Ability at start for the host to change what is the top % that a spy or assassin can complete a mission (The current is 95, you could make the tops 50 or something.)

- how long you have to wait before you can call crusade / jihad (Current is 10 turns from end)

- how much pity needed for Imams to call Jihad (Current is 5)

Anyways, I hope you take an interest! We only have this patch to make hotseat games better than normal! Ofcourse you could have very simple and easy rules. (Just the basic No one joins a crusade/jihad that would prevent the normal all christian armies ally to vs islam, such such)

regards-

Merlox

P.S. - I found out my old account info... XD! I'm using it!

[Ignoramus]

I'd like Scotland, but I'm willing to fill in other factions.

[phonicsmonkey]

-All factions are now able to build forts. (6.2 does not allow forts, our hotseat patch allows forts)

This alone is enough reason to look into the hotseat patch, in my view...it'll be your call as GM though Redemption

I forgot to say, if I join this game I'd like to take Hungary..

[Merlox]

Forts are rather important for hotseats. These small balances and such will make the game much more enjoyable!

(For me, I find the funnest games with no crusades / jihads, due to they can be abused / glitched so easy... Some examples are...

-Moving Backwards
-Attacking own religion with crusade / jihad
-Free huge skill + for rapidly joining / disbanding a crusade with a general.
-can spam rapid armies with no upkeep.
-the 2.5x movement bonus.
-makes many hotseats just Catholic vs Islam which is very untrue about reality, Maybe in the crusaders eyes. But nations did not stop wars and send their FULL armies to the holy lands.
-makes blitzing wayyy too easy.
-movement bug, Can make armies move up to 10x with crusades

ofcourse, I am speaking from my own opinion, and from experience from many other 6.0/6.1 hotseats dealing with Crusades/Jihad (Most games on TWcenter forbid crusades), and we have our own mercenary patch so that we can recruit religious troops in areas where they should be. (Holy lands would have a very large crusader and jihad troops for their own religion and such.) The new games have been a very good time!

I just want to let you guys be aware of things that have destroyed many of my hotseats from before.

[Redemption]

Interesting points Merlox. I'll look into that. Do you have a link to said community patch?

I'd like Scotland, but I'm willing to fill in other factions.

It would probably be better to spread around more before bunching up in a region.

At the moment, the poor muslim states have no takers. I'll take the last choice to balance things out.

[Merlox]

Currently it is not released to the public, due to it's still under works by the few veterens of the SS 6+ campaigns who are trying to create "The perfect game." As this is under way, and i am the leader of the 6.2 hotseat patch. Things can still change. I have listed all of my points though so far.

The Patch could be finished as of this second, Though I am trying to see if theres any thing I can do to enhance this even further. such as changes and all of that. But I am glad you are taking an interest in it.

On a side note, Muslim Factions are extremely scary to play because 1 crusade can kill the muslims off easily, esp when all catholic nations decide to blitz 1 muslim faction.

[TheFlax]

On a side note, Muslim Factions are extremely scary to play because 1 crusade can kill the muslims off easily, esp when all catholic nations decide to blitz 1 muslim faction.

That's quite unlikely to happen unless you are very gamey. Catholic factions have a lot to disagree about if they are roleplayed.

[phonicsmonkey]

That's quite unlikely to happen unless you are very gamey. Catholic factions have a lot to disagree about if they are roleplayed.

I like the idea of banning / removing crusades and jihads anyway.

I think ATPG in his incessant SP blitz campaigns has shown how easy they are to exploit (and in my experience of GMing the BC hotseat I can say that policing exploits is near impossible, leading me to believe that making them impossible is a better policy).

Also, BC has no crusade, and a jihad can only be called by some crazy-high-level iman (meaning it's extremely unlikely to happen), and I don't think the BC hotseat has been any the worse for their absence.

[TheFlax]

I'm not against banning them, to the contrary, if I want a Crusade and the Crusade game option is banned, I'll RP on, I don't mind.

My point was only that it would be gamey and most probably unsporting to use crusades to rush like that.

[Redemption]

I like the idea of banning / removing crusades and jihads anyway.

I think ATPG in his incessant SP blitz campaigns has shown how easy they are to exploit (and in my experience of GMing the BC hotseat I can say that policing exploits is near impossible, leading me to believe that making them impossible is a better policy).

Also, BC has no crusade, and a jihad can only be called by some crazy-high-level iman (meaning it's extremely unlikely to happen), and I don't think the BC hotseat has been any the worse for their lack.

I'm not against banning them, to the contrary, if I want a Crusade and the Crusade game option is banned, I'll RP on, I don't mind.

My point was only that it would be gamey and most probably unsporting to use crusades to rush like that.

And I would even argue that a "jihad" that is roleplayed such as the one from CotF is much more interesting then a simple game mechanic.

[phonicsmonkey]

My point was only that it would be gamey and most probably unsporting to use crusades to rush like that.

It certainly would Mr.Flax - which is, unfortunately, not to say that it wouldn't happen.

[TheFlax]

It certainly would Mr.Flax - which is, unfortunately, not to say that it wouldn't happen.

Granted.

[Ignoramus]

Ok, then I'll take Aragon.

[Merlox]

If Crusades and Jihads are forbid to joined (Though you could still RP one if you wanted) I Would step up and be the Fatamids. ^^

Any ways, I would like to say I an increadibly happy again playing a hotseat with you guys once again!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Edit: In patch 6.1 I only selected the disable grim reality (4th option).

Ok I selected to download all of them, is there any way to get rid of the patch without uninstalling everything....

[Merlox]

on another side note...

the 6.2 patch recommends that all of the 6.1 options (Micro Mods) to be clicked off for 6.2 to work fine with it's current codes.

I Currently have just have a copy of SS 6.2 with out any submods. as SS 6.2 later hotfix's will soon allow the easy "Mod manager", so theres your current conflict if you have any options selected when installing 6.1

[Redemption]

If Crusades and Jihads are forbid to joined (Though you could still RP one if you wanted) I Would step up and be the Fatamids. ^^

Any ways, I would like to say I an increadibly happy again playing a hotseat with you guys once again!

Yeah I think we'll ban those.

As for the 6.1 options, I think you can simply reinstal the 6.1 patch and select (or don't select) things anew. Should work.

Merlox, d'you think you can convince people from TWC to join us as well? The more the better, especially with the huge stainless steel map.

[Merlox]

Hotseat patch 1.1 for SS 6.2

What it does.

-Boosted "King Purse" Economies for all nations at the same number. (While this does not help the big nations very much, the Little nations gain much use from it!)
-Enabled Forts to be built.
-Forts can not be destroyed even left empty. (Once it's placed, it's there forever, making people think before using forts)
-Crusade movements has been reduced from 2.5x to 1.5x
-Horse units have increased from 1.5 to 1.75 while Infantry are kept at 1, and Mobile siege weapons are .75
-Children cap have been raised from 4 to 6, making more family which will help have governors / generals for your faction, also harder to kill off them with assassins due to more numbers.
-Every settlement under 1000 has been boosted between 1200-1500 to prevent "Dead Settlements"
-Minor Balancing on existing settlements.
-Merchants make more money now

It also has the 6.2 Hotfix inside of it that fixes names, so less chance of CTD

This is how you Install it.

Put the 3 files Inside of the download into the "Data" of your SS game.
( SS mod / Data )

then you follow (SS mod / Data / World / Maps / Campaign / Imperial Campaign) and put that one notepad in that.

You will be replacing all old ones, and please note you MUST have 6.2 already installed.

(1.1 is a newer version, it has the correct stuffs. I put in the wrong files in the old one. simply copy over the old stuffs and it should be fixed

Regards-

Merlox.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wait so what am I not selecting again? the grim reality one?

[Merlox]

You are not selecting Any of the current sub mods.

Oh right, I do hope you guys realize that the 6.2 patch makes the 6.1 "hard and very hard" for 6.2 it's "easy and med"

The Hard / Very hard is very punishing, which will make the game more fun

I do suggest that the AI is put in VH/VH with 6.2, for them to be a challenge.

[Vladimir]

So, no one wants to play the Shah? I thought that would be at least in the top five!