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[Darius]

I wasn't sure where to put this since it's not so much a "Bug" as much as it's likely to be a matter of a typo somewhere, but for some reason Rome has the ability to make type II governments all the way North up to Denmark and all the way east to Poland and a little beyond. Now I may be a bit rusty on my Roman history compared to some of the EB folks but I'm pretty damn sure Rome never made it into western Europe that far north.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Roman government placement represents where the Romans may have made regions into provinces had they expanded differently. If Varius had not lost his legions in Germania, all of northern Europe may have been fully Romanized within a century.

[Watchman]

I've always been rather sceptical of that. Something like Denmark and the immediate vicinity of the great rivers maybe, as permanent garrisons in those parts could still have been supplied without truly onerous logistical difficulties by water. But the deep interior, agriculturally unproductive until the widespread adoption of the heavy iron plough over half a millenia later, with lousy communications and full of unruly natives only too familiar with hit-and-run warfare in the trackless forests ?
No. Just no. Same reason why they never went too deep into the Sahara.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Roman government placement represents where the Romans may have made regions into provinces had they expanded differently. If Varius had not lost his legions in Germania, all of northern Europe may have been fully Romanized within a century.

I thought EB was not about "what-if" scenarios? I am absolutely for "what-if" scenarios, but I just thought the EB team was against that, which is why it induced so many restrictions.

[penguinking]

Roman government placement represents where the Romans may have made regions into provinces had they expanded differently. If Varius had not lost his legions in Germania, all of northern Europe may have been fully Romanized within a century.

But isn't a century after Varus out of the time frame of EB?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

EB is against "what if" scenerios but also against pushing the game down a "set path" scenerio.

The Roman government resource placement is outdated and may use some changes if rethought. Originally (in v0.7x), the Romans could build Type2s just about everywhere. It was scaled back a bit to cut off the eastern parts of the map.

Remember that government levels mean different things to different factions. For some factions, Type2s are areas closely tied to the culture and military of the faction or even core territories, for the Romans Type2s are Provinces.

[Ankhenaten]

Roman government placement represents where the Romans may have made regions into provinces had they expanded differently. If Varius had not lost his legions in Germania, all of northern Europe may have been fully Romanized within a century.

Way to go Arminius! I'm a fan of Rome, but that battle was simply genius!

[Cute Wolf]

Just a moment... so only steppe regions that romans can't build type2 ? eng... waht's the military unit that Romans can train in type 2, that type 3 can't?

[Andy1984]

I'm not sure about the exact difference, but here's my guess. Rome can only build her own legionary units and mic's in her government 1-settlements. The difference between a lvl2 and a lvl3 would be both economic (more civil and economic buildings in 2) and military (more local forces in a lvl3 than in lvl2). Not that the romanoi can train many local units on the steppes, but it might make a difference. Given they are capable to conquer the steppes and deal with a nice distance-to-capital-penalty in the first place.

[MerlinusCDXX]

Romans on the steppes. Muahahahahahaha, send 'em on, my boys could use a bit of target practice.

[kuroiya88]

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/arabia1.html

That should explain the Roman expedition a little.

fascinating stuff! I had no idea

Roman government placement represents where the Romans may have made regions into provinces had they expanded differently. If Varius had not lost his legions in Germania, all of northern Europe may have been fully Romanized within a century.

Second that! totally agree :D

[Watchman]

Way to ignore logistics.

[Irenaeus]

Similar to the original question of the thread, I've been playing as the Romani and noticed I can build a Type 1 government in a city in deep Sahara (will have to look tonight to see which one it is). Is this a bug? If not, why is this considered part of the Roman homeland?

One last quick question (apologies if it's been asked before lots, but I haven't seen it) - I noticed that not all Type IV governments allow recruitment of allied generals. Is there a reason for this? For instance, in Arabia I've had to ship my recruited generals over the Red Sea from the Sudan area.

[Cute Wolf]

Deep Sahara?

Did u conquer "Eremos?"

That was desert region, not intended to be captured...

[Nirvanish]

Similar to the original question of the thread, I've been playing as the Romani and noticed I can build a Type 1 government in a city in deep Sahara (will have to look tonight to see which one it is). Is this a bug? If not, why is this considered part of the Roman homeland?

One last quick question (apologies if it's been asked before lots, but I haven't seen it) - I noticed that not all Type IV governments allow recruitment of allied generals. Is there a reason for this? For instance, in Arabia I've had to ship my recruited generals over the Red Sea from the Sudan area.

Question 1- Though I am not sure where they have been found, Roman forts have been found in the Sahara. I'll try and do some research on this today.

Question 2- Have you installed Bovi's fix for recruiting generals? Its been up for a while now and adds a few generals to the recruitment pool of several provinces which were missing the ability.